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To: Colofornian

I don’t know what authority you believe you have but you are so far off base you can’t even see it.

What vision could you possibly have that makes what you say of any value?

Who is man to judge ANYTHING?

God is the ultimate judge. Assuming you are Christian, did Jesus hate the tax collector? Did Jesus hate the prostitute? Did Jesus hate the Jews?

Your hate comes from Satan, pal! You probably would have enjoyed living during the religious persecutions of the dark ages killing heretics and such. You better get a better handle on Dan 4:17.

What else can religious freedom mean other than the government cannot force it upon you and you are free to pursue whatever religion you want or none at all.

All religion is based on faith and NEVER fact. You are entitled to your views and they are no better or worse than the views of any other person of faith (or no faith).

If you believe otherwise, you are a bigot!


2,538 posted on 08/13/2012 5:46:24 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist
All religion is based on faith and NEVER fact.

You've gotten some WRONG information!

2,543 posted on 08/13/2012 6:00:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: New Jersey Realist
All religion is based on faith and NEVER fact.

My religion is based on the facts in the Bible. There's faith involved, but the foundation is solidly factual.

2,552 posted on 08/13/2012 7:19:18 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: New Jersey Realist
What vision could you possibly have that makes what you say of any value? Who is man to judge ANYTHING?

I take it then that perhaps you've NEVER read the following passage from the Apostle Paul's letter to the church at Corinth...a church, btw, NOT known for their spiritual maturity:

10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit MAKES JUDGMENTS ABOUT ALL THINGS, BUT SUCH A PERSON IS NOT SUBJECT TO MERELY HUMAN JUDGMENTS, 16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Cor. 2)

2,603 posted on 08/13/2012 11:00:51 AM PDT by Colofornian (Why don't you 'birthers' ask Mitt about his 'spirit-birth' on planet near Kolob? Hypocrisy @ work?)
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To: New Jersey Realist
Assuming you are Christian, did Jesus hate the tax collector? Did Jesus hate the prostitute? Did Jesus hate the Jews?

#1, God doesn't hate tax collectors, prostitutes, Jews, Mormons, or even the Pharisees.

(Yet that didn't stop Jesus from labeling the Pharisees as "children of the devil" -- see the latter part of John 8...and as whitewashed sepulcres whose inner lives reflected that of a dead graveyard. In fact, that comes from Matthew 23, where Jesus literally RAILS on the legalistic Pharisees...even telling them they traverse the earth to make converts "twice the son of hell." )

There is no greater legalistic religious widespread group that I know of than Mormonism.

God/Jesus don't "hate" Mormons. Lds are of so great worth to Jesus that He died for them.

But Jesus said He didn't come to save "the righteous" (those who think they can "bootstrap" themselves to righteousness); he came to save sinners.

You have made the discernment error of failing to see how Jesus addressed different types of people. For the tax collectors and the woman cohabitating and the prostitutes, He comforted them...For the religiously legalistic "comfortable," He afflicted them.

What else can religious freedom mean other than the government cannot force it upon you and you are free to pursue whatever religion you want or none at all.

Well, here's where YOU -- and many like you -- tred upon ground where you wind up refuting yourself. If Mormonism has some "religious freedom" zone that somehow protects their religious expressions from being publicly critiqued, then that VERY SAME "religious freedom" zone applies to the critiques of Mormonism that I've made on this Web site.

You can't hypocritically claim that some "license" exists that "teflon proofs" Mormon religious expression; but doesn't apply to religious expression that critiques Mormonism!

That is 2-faced...hypocritical nonsense.

Why is it that posters like yourself that attempt to use "freedom of religion" as some sort of "fallback" NEVER seem to be able to rise up to my defense as a poster and defend my religious expressions? Is it because you and others are extremely "selective" over picking who and when it's convenient to raise the "religious freedom" banner?

2,609 posted on 08/13/2012 11:18:53 AM PDT by Colofornian (Why don't you 'birthers' ask Mitt about his 'spirit-birth' on planet near Kolob? Hypocrisy @ work?)
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To: New Jersey Realist
All religion is based on faith and NEVER fact. You are entitled to your views and they are no better or worse than the views of any other person of faith (or no faith).

Let's start with this last claim first -- that given views "are no better or worse than the views of any other person of faith (or no faith)."

Well, if that's "so," why should we take that and run with that?

If all views are somehow the "same," then you've just admitted that 100% of your claims with this post aren't anything "special." Why should ANYBODY take what you say as worth anything if it's the same as Hitler's religious beliefs that Jews were inferior?

You've committed the fatal error of "equivalency." -- That all views are somehow "equal." If that was true, the "religious" views uttered by Satan would be no worse than what Jesus taught!

Bottom-line...you've admitted your post is "no better" than anything I've written...and if it's "no better" in reflecting "truth," why would anybody want to stop at your doorstep to "acquire" truth?

All religion is based on faith and NEVER fact.

Is that a "fact?"

More self-refutation...and hilariously so. You present that statement as if it was "factual," yet you just told us that ALL religious statements -- including this 9-word statement you made -- is "based on faith."

If you're telling us something "factual," then you've just admitted that the statement "All religion is based on faith and never fact" has an "exception" when it comes to YOUR religious conclusions. (A self-refutation)

If you're telling us something that resides in your "faith" alone, why should we believe it? You started off asking me, "I don’t know what authority you believe..."...Well, by Whose authority is this statement of "All religion is based upon faith and not fact" actually so?

Did that originate with you, or are you quoting somebody?

The apostle Paul concluded in 1 Corinthians 15 that if Jesus didn't (factually) rise from the dead, then Christianity as a faith is EMPTY. If the tomb wasn't empty because of Jesus rising, then a person's Christian faith IS empty.

Jesus appeared to about 500 witnesses post-resurrection. Witnesses have sent people to their death via their testimonies before judge & jury. Eyewitnesses report "facts."

You imply every eyewitness testimony is just "blind faith." Really? Is our criminal justice system based 100% upon "blind faith?"

2,615 posted on 08/13/2012 11:34:48 AM PDT by Colofornian (Why don't you 'birthers' ask Mitt about his 'spirit-birth' on planet near Kolob? Hypocrisy @ work?)
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