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To: Greenperson

You are being deliberately obtuse. Did you not know this already? What king of research have you been doing?

Valerie Newman was born in 1940 not 1915 as you say.

She appears in the International Movie Database along with Valerie Sarruf http://www.imdb.com/
Looking at the dates of the films
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0628299/
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0765586/

It seems likely that they are two names for the same actress. I’d need to see some of the movies to prove it, and getting copies may be problematic.

“We know who the person who wrote the tribute was: A clerk. Perhaps an errand girl for grocery store clerks.”

Why did an errand girl named Newman get to write Malcolm X’s obituary?


495 posted on 08/09/2012 8:28:47 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: ABrit

Deliberately obtuse? I might accuse you of the same.

Did you even look at the photo that I linked?

Did you notice that the page you yourself linked to says that Valerie Newman had a daughter with Curly Howard? Do you know who that is?

Curly of the 3 Stooges. The photo was taken sometime in the late 1940s. They married in 1947. He died in 1952. That’s Janie in the photo. When Curly married Valerie, she was thrice-widowed and age 32. Do the math.

Your other Valerie may have been born in 1940, but she’s not Valerie Newman. That other Valerie’s movies were made in the appropriate timeframe for a young woman born in 1940.

Do go get the movies for the other Valerie Newman and look at them before you decide that Valerie Newman was young in the 60s and changed her name to Sarruf.

By the way, you said specifically that “per IMDB” she changed her name. Would you care to link to where IMDB says that?

What kind of research are YOU doing? I do THOROUGH research before I jump to the conclusion that someone with a common name like Newman must be SOMEHOW, with no proof, related to Fred Newman.

I’m not saying that Jo Ann Newman, the clerk who wrote a tribute to Malcolm X, is NOT related to him; but since you make the claim, it’s your problem to prove it.

Brown Deer showed census records that indicate that Freddie Newman didn’t have any sisters named Valerie in 1940. While one may have been born later, there’s no evidence of that yet.

Trowbridge claims to know who Jo Ann is and even says she’s still alive and active in the cause; but Martha the creative writer doesn’t link sources or back up her claims with proof. Why is that?

The proof is in the pudding and so far all we see is trifle.

Public records searchs also say that Bari M. Shabazz is 52. He’s not. He’s dead, according to the Social Security index. So, how accurate are these public record searches? Have you ever searched for yourself on them? Do you find any mistakes? They’re compiled from databases that make assumptions about people and so, like Ancestry, they’re only as good as the people entering the data and making the assumptions. Garbage in, garbage out.

This is not our theory. It’s yours or at least you seem to own it here in Trowbridge’s name. So, it’s up to you to put out the evidence and convince others that it’s true.


497 posted on 08/09/2012 9:03:18 AM PDT by Greenperson
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To: ABrit; Greenperson
Why did an errand girl named Newman get to write Malcolm X’s obituary?

(It's not the obituary; it's an obituary.)

Do you accept the job description and the name?

Do you reject the job description but accept the name?

Do you reject the job description and the name?

Who wrote this particular elegy?

As a footnote, you have an attitude problem. Don't accuse others of being obtuse in the paragraph in which you mean to type kind yet type king.

The question of the elegy is of note: is this a menial doing a rhapsodic celebration of the black muslim martyr or is it a masked dramatic piece from a player.

What are your tells?


514 posted on 08/09/2012 1:07:29 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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