Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
What we have here is evidence of how a little knowledge of psychology can be used as a tool to manipulate public opinion.
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Erik Rush really should know better, but evidently he doesn’t. First it was all about Jo Ann Newman changing her name to Valerie and showing up as an actress in the UK, then it was insinuated that Stanley Ann Dunham was Jo Ann Newmann. Now we have ‘Nancy’ who was eight years old when she gave birth to Zero. That cabal needs psychiatric attention and medication...
But it’s all about website hits and notoriety, isn’t it?
TO SUM IT UP, YOUR CROSS-POSTED EXAMPLE:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2913366/posts?page=1481#1481
162 posted on 03/03/2013 9:50:01 AM PST by MarthaT (Terrible Truth - Investigative Research On The Actual Personal History Of “Barack Hussein Obama II”)
This is the maiden ping of the Brand New Zero’s* Background Ping list. Due to computer problems I haven’t yet used the very nice logo someone made, so the bells and whistles will have to wait.
This thread (and of course many others) contain a stream of information researched by dedicated people who not only want to find the truth, but let the light shine on it. There is no one comment or place to read the whole story, but if you start here (could go back more if you want), and read until the end of the thread, you’ll read info you have not seen before, some of which may clear up confusion or fill in holes:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2913366/posts?page=1079#1079
Any questions you may have (and please ask, there are many answers), direct to Fred Nerks or Brown Deer. The more people ask, the more info may be forthcoming. But it’s important to read first and get a feel for the story. The basics are the the purported parents of the man illegaly using the name Barack Hussein Obama are not his real parents; and it is pretty clear who the real parents are.
So, in order to get a clear undesrtanding of his background, it is important that the reserarchers prove how the purported paretns could not have been, and were not, involved in his birth, and this info is also on other threads.
I am 100% certain that the topic of “Who the he!! is he???” is going to be asked more and more, as the myriad crimes and treason actuated by this administration are made public, up to and including his false birth certificates and SS card. Why forge documents if they’re factual? is a question people should ask themsevles.
*AKA Barack Hussein Obama
PS - feel free to skip over any disruptor comments. They add nothing to the content of this thread.
Classic. A site for total nutcases. Sounds like a way to make people even more nutso.
YIKES! Now you’ve really gone and done it...and I thought we decided it was all a waste of time. Well, let’s see if anyone bothers to go back through the material...somehow I doubt it, but thanks anyway.
I do think people are going to start to seriously wonder about who he is.
This is the maiden ping of the Brand New Zero’s* Background Ping list. Due to computer problems I haven’t yet used the very nice logo someone made, so the bells and whistles will have to wait.
This active thread (and of course many other threads) contains a stream of information researched by dedicated people who not only want to find the truth, but want the light shine on it. There is no one comment or place to read the whole story, but if you start here (could go back more if you want), and read until the end of the thread, you’ll read info you have not seen before, some of which may clear up confusion or fill in holes:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2913366/posts?page=1079#1079
If anyone has questions please ask. Someone may know the answer or direct you to where you can find information.
*AKA Barack Hussein Obama
Add me to the list.
I will, I thought I had.
CLASSMATE INTERVIEW 2012.
EXCERPT:
...When I first met Barry, when he showed up I think it was the summer before fifth grade, he was hanging out at the tennis courts. And at the time that was the very Wimbledon-like, where everyone had to wear white clothes and white tennis shoes. Very careful about the soles of the shoes because you didn’t want to scuff up the courts, mark them up.
So yeah, I can picture him as this slightly — “chubby” is too strong, but rounded, short little guy, Barry Obama. And he told us that his father was an Indonesian king and that he was a prince, and after he finished school he was going to go back, and he would be a ruler in Indonesia. And I absolutely believed him.
I understand that he told his fifth-grade class that he was Kenyan royalty, but I never heard that story until years later. My sister and I remember very clearly that he was an Indonesian prince and that he would be going back there. So there was some reference to where he had come from, and the understanding was his family was there...
I never read that before. Quite interesting, Indonesian prince, no wonder the guy is psychotic. She understood he had family there.. but from what I’ve read here, it wasn’t Stanley Ann and Lolo, it was the Soebarkah family, high up, elderly grandmother, men in uniform...? I remember the photo. So that might have been the original plan for him, ruling in Indonesia. He’s light skinned, and I remember some Indonsesian man who looks very like him, the photo was floating around; so Zero could easily have blended in with Indonesians, other than being (as it turned out) much taller than most.
Interesting about the scholarship, I wonder why it was awarded to him. Also noteworthy is that she says on the one hand that the kids at Punahou excelt in academics and sports, and on the other, that Barry wasn’t noteworthy in either. So why the scholarship? She also skirts around his heavy dope use; sounds as though she knows he was a very heavy user.
Too bad for us the being the leader of Indonesia didn’t work out, lucky for Indonesia.
The above images have been presented as being the family of Lolo Soetoro, and the lady with the glasses as his mother, who was there when Madelyn visited Stanley Ann after the birth of Maya.
I doubt if this family would have given zero the impression he was being raised as a Prince of Indonesia...
Thanks for the ping, LucyT :)
Thanks for posting that - I was mixing two photos in my mind. THe other one was a formal group photos with ladies in classic and formal looking Indonesian attire, with some men in military dress, in a formal garden setting. I wonder if they were the same family or not.
You probably remember the images you saw of the Soebarkah family, they did appear to be some form of Indonesian royalty, one member was part of KOPASSUS and was a pall-bearer at the funeral of Suharto.
Don’t bother to reply, there will be no more postings from me on this thread.
Gonna do it anyway cause this is HUGE .....
KOPASSUS is Indonesian HIT MEN/snipers/special forces/guys you do NOT wanna meet in a dark alley..... government sponsored :0
KOPASSUS is Indonesian HIT MEN/snipers/special forces/guys you do NOT wanna meet in a dark alley..... government sponsored :0
Thing is you go back and compare the images Fred posts in #1594 with the image of the Soebarkah's Fred posted much earlier on a much earlier thread and you see these people are the same people. These people are the Soebarkah's.
Exactly who Lolo was and where he came from is not very clear--we have a total of three different men identified at various times as Lolo.
But the woman here puts the message to that--she was at least somehow related to some person who was relevant to the baby who presumably is known as Maya Soetoro; and if so, that relationship is presumably through the father who is identified by the legend as Lolo.
The only thing that really makes much sense is that the people later identified as related to Lolo Soetoro were the Soebarkah's. That may also make the Indonesia time line fit together.
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