Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Auntie Ella who lived in Roxbury and drove from Boston to identify the body of her half-brother and attend his funeral in 1965?
I know...they are collecting funds to turn it into a monument. Ella owned a number of properties in Boston apparently, she turned them into boarding houses.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/obituary-ella-collins-1308611.html
excerpt:
Malcolm was thrilled by the bright lights of Boston and reassured by his half-sister’s strength and confidence. When he went back to Lansing, he wrote to her, saying he wanted to move to Boston and live with her. She arranged for official custody of the boy (now a ward of the state) to be transferred from Michigan to Massachusetts.
“No physical move in my life,” Malcolm wrote later, “has been more pivotal or profound in its repercussions. All praise is due to Allah that I went to Boston when I did. If I hadn’t, I’d probably be a brainwashed black Christian.”
At about that time Ella Collins broke up with her second husband, a soldier called Frank. (Her first husband was a doctor, and she later married for a third time.) She had paid, with the money she made from her rented property, for several members of the family to move from Georgia to Boston.
Since her days working for Adam Clayton Powell, Collins had been committed to the struggle for civil rights, but in the 1950s Malcolm persuaded her to join the Nation of Islam, the so-called “black Muslims”, founded by Elijah Muhammad, another disciple of Marcus Garvey. She helped to establish the Nation’s mosque in Boston and a day-care centre attached to it.
http://savingplaces.org/treasures/malcolm-x
Built in 1874, this modest structure is the last known surviving boyhood home of Malcolm X. He shared the house with his half sister, Ella Little-Collins, whose son is the current owner. Largely vacant for over 30 years, plans are in development to rehabilitate and reuse the deteriorating property. In partnership with Historic Boston, Rodnell Collins dreams of preserving Malcolm X’s legacy by transforming the house into living quarters for graduate students who are studying African American history, social justice, or civil rights.
Magazine Street, corner of Glenwood, where the kenyan and his brother lived in Cambridge.
CAMBRIDGE HISTORICAL SOCIETY LINK
... In 1925, it was remodeled and converted into a 2-family house and then in 1928 into a 3-family house.
I almost missed this stuff - just now saw it on “lastest posts” page.
I’ll have to read it carefully tomorrw.
What are all the deleted comments?
Auntie Ella brought up Malcolm Little from the age of 15 when he was a Ward of State, after his father was killed in a trolley car accident and his mother was confined to an asylum. Ella Collins seems to have been a very resourceful woman. Whilst the kenyan student and his brother were living at Magazine Street, he told his Harvard associates that he visited his son several times. The question now is, which one of the two little boys was his son?
Was it the one who resembles him, or the one on the left who quite obviously doesn't?
The deleted comments are - an article I posted that was removed, I don’t know why. And a cartoon I asked the mods to remove because it was silly. Sorry I forgot to ping you.
Oh, don’t worry about forgetting to ping me. When I can I just do searchers on your name and find out what you’re up to.
This is very interesting.
I have a question but I’ll ask you tomorrow...
Malcolm X was born Malcolm Little on May 19, 1925, in Omaha, Neb. He was the son of Earl and Louisa Little and younger brother of Ella Collins, his father’s daughter from an earlier marriage.
In 1998, Rodnell Collins, Ella Collins’ son and Malcolm X’s nephew, wrote a book about his famous uncle called Seventh Child. While giving details not revealed before about his Uncle Malcolm, Collins gives even more about his mother. It is her autobiography that we should have been reading all these years.
Who was it that got Malcolm X transferred to the Norfolk Penal Colony in Massachusetts, a progressive facility where he achieved his astounding success in self-education?
Ella Collins.
When Malcolm X left the Nation of Islam in March 1964 and needed money to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, who financed him?
Ella Collins.
When a young Malcolm Little left Michigan for Boston, whom did he live with?
Ella Collins. According to Rodnell Collins, she did all that and more. Ella Collins brought more than 20 of her Georgia relatives to Boston during the Depression years, often working several jobs to help them survive. She also helped poor kids who weren’t relatives. She showed her business acumen by buying property in Boston and pressured city educators to include black history in the curriculum, practicing what her younger brother preached long before he preached it.
Spike Lee, the black director of the movie about Malcolm X, managed to avoid the name Ella Collins for the 201-minute length of the film. Regrettable, but not surprising. We African-Americans are notorious for forgetting our women. We praise Martin Luther King Jr.’s leadership of the Montgomery bus boycott and ignore the women who led and sustained it.
We know that Medgar Evers was the first Mississippi field secretary of the NAACP. But how many of us know that assisting him every step of the way in his Jackson office - and raising three children - was his wife, Myrlie Evers, now Myrlie Evers-Williams?
We’ve heard of Earl Little’s involvement in the Marcus Garvey movement, but hear little of how Louisa Little assisted him as bookkeeper, secretary and writer of several articles for the Negro World, the official publication of Garvey’s Universal Negro Improvement Association.
Many of us have read The Autobiography of Malcolm X. The autobiography we should have been reading all these years is that of Ella Collins, the most extraordinary Little of them all.
Rodnell Collins, nephew of Malcolm X (right), speaks with Edmund Barry Gaither, director-curator of the National Center of Afro-American Artists (NCAAA), during a March 2008 event at the Museum of the NCAAA on Walnut Street in Roxbury. Collins spoke about his book, “Seventh Child: A Family Memoir of Malcolm X” and shared insights about the relationship between Malcolm X and his mother, Ella Little-Collins, whom he likened to the archetypal warrior woman Queen Hatshetsup. (Lolita Parker Jr. photo)
Join me with Imam Suhaib Webb, Dr. Altaf Husain, Imam Ibrahim Abd Al Rahim, Khalid Latif, Shaykh AbdulNasr Jangda, Shaykh Muhammed Sayanvala, Shaykh Suheil Laher, Shaykh Taha Abdulbasser, Sister Ibtihaj Muhammad, and most importantly, YOU!, on December 28-30 in Boston (pronounced ‘Baahstan’): http://ellacollinsinstitute.org/.
When I contacted the historical society they didn't seem to know that the Kenyan student lived there. I didn't see the need in informing them either...
ACCCKKK!!!!!
If Islam is the answer, the question is the wrong one to ask!!!
(Unless the question is “what causes more problems on the planet than any other religion/philosophy/goverance/belief system.)
Seriously? That voice. OMG, Annette. Boop boop de boop.
“It was a tough situation, as far as I knew,” she said. “She was 19, she’d promised her parents that she was going to finish college, even through she’d married.So she was either born early in January of 42 or sometime in 41.
Then there is finish college? Implies she was close to completing or had already had sometime in college, not just starting....
And I can tell you as a parent, and I know mothers are way better at this than I, but I can remember my kids age at certain events, like when a hurricane hit us I remember my youngest was only four months old....
he told his Harvard associates that he visited his son several times.
So when the Kenyan student lost his visa and had to leave the US in July '64, about the same time as a little "3" year old black boy shows up in Hawaii.....
Maybe if they knew that they would also turn that house into a monument, and suffer the embarrassment of having to rewrite history when they find out that he was simply an accomplice to identity fraud?
“Pushing baby Barack’s birth back to January 1961”
There has been great fuss made over MO’s January birthday. The 1st ‘dinner’ date was too much for me. I thought to myself that I’d bet that was really 0bama’s.
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