Posted on 07/07/2012 4:51:17 AM PDT by raulgomez05
Aging rocker and reality TV personality Ted Nugent is emerging, even ahead of Donald Trump, as Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s most embarrassing public supporter.
Nugent is at it again, reacting to the Supreme Court’s ruling upholding the Affordable Care Act by writing in the Rev. Sun Myung Moon’s Washington Times that America would have been better off had the South won the Civil War.
A full Nugent rant, which might be subtitled “Robe Rage”:
“The bottom line is that Chief Justice Roberts’ traitor vote will ensure more monumental spending and wasted taxes and put almost 15 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product under one of the world’s most bureaucratic, ineffective, incompetent and grossly expensive systems ever devised by man: our out-of-control federal government.
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> the institution of slavery was an indefensible cruelty.
I heartily agree.
And, at the risk of alienating our beloved Southern FRiends, I submit that “states rights” was a smokescreen to allow the slave states to continue this abominable practice without federal intervention.
While the Confederacy may have been correct in principle, that the US fedgov had no business intervening, they were grossly in error by continuing in this abomination.
And if the Confederacy HAD won, they simply would have won their independence. The trajectory of the North towards heavy-handed federal government was already set.
It would have been similar to North and South Korea, with a new armed conflict almost inevitable.
Now, if the “free” (non-slave) states had just minded their own business, slavery would have dissipated naturally. The advent of machines like the cotton combine would have obsoleted slavery. Such a machine could do the work of many slaves at a fraction of the cost.
But, what is, is. And we must deal with that.
Unfortunately, the country is not divided geographically, but rather ideologically. Even “red” states are only marginally so, as are “blue” states. There are whole communities, cities, and counties within these states that are predominantly of differing ideologies.
The balkanization is not on geographical boundaries, but almost house-to-house.
The government school system and the “entertainment” industry have done their damage, and continue to do so, and there may be no turning back from slide into the precipice of collectivist, totalitarian tyranny and moral depravity.
I submit that only a mighty Christian Revival can save this nation at this point.
That’s the biggest crock of bs I’ve ever read. It wasn’t about slavery? The hell it wasn’t. “Property’’? That’s exactly what slaves were,’’ property’’ and the South was fighting to keep it that way..
Having a bad day huh Reb?
I agree with the center point of his comment and would have stated: it would have been better if the states had won the war of northern aggression.
Very likely, but few foresaw that in the 1860's. That's why a war was fought to end it, and why the south fought to keep its states right to own slaves.
BTW, "minding their own business" is what allowed the holocaust to occur.
I submit that only a mighty Christian Revival can save this nation at this point.
I agree.
I think slavery was on its way out before the Civil War began. The institution did get a boost from Eli Whitney’s cotton gin, but the spiritual and social landscape was changing....we MAY have been able to avoid the awful bloodshed.
Yet the war DID happen. The best remedy in the aftermath is to interpret the 14th, 15th, and 16th amendments strictly, and for the purpose intended. Instead, these parts of the Constitution (especially) the 14th) have been used to elasticize power for the Federal government that was never intended by the writers thereof.
Taking a break from Federal Boot Licking?
Taking a break from Federal Boot Licking?
“Slavery as an institution would have been the economical thing for he south to do.”
Nope. Slavery was expensive. Machinery was cheaper. Machinery was already starting to take hold. Slavery was doomed as an economic institution.
“Does Romney agree?”
I doubt it, but I agree.
So what you're saying is the South would have kept on using slaves instead of machines?
Sure, feed house clothe, and take care of hundreds of slaves, and animals, instead of a tractor. Did you forget plowing, and harvesting, and cleaning, had to be done by INDIVIDUALS until the advent of the internal combustion engine?
After the engines came, just what use would slaves have been? Do you still use a slide rule to do math? Do you ride a horse to work? Times change. Slavery would have passed soon anyway.
“...but, to say that it would have been better if the south had won the civil war is nuts.
I concede the south had many great traditions ruined by the civil war but, the institution of slavery was an indefensible cruelty. The history of southern racism following the civil war is also a great shame that we’d all like to forget about.”
Not so fast.
Slavery could have been handled by the north boycotting the south. Great Britain would probably have brought pressure to bear given England’s rejection of slavery. There is a good case that the Civil War ended slavery in 1865 rather than 1885, but at tremendous cost.
And the North had vicious cruelty against blacks as well. My Mom grew up in Indiana. When she was a kid, it was illegal for a black man to be in the county overnight. I asked her what would have happened to a black who stayed, and she replied, “I suspect they would have found his body at the county line the next morning.” The law was changed while she was growing up.
Meanwhile, the Federal government grew in power and the states ability to resist diminished greatly. Looking at black life in many cities, and the effect the federal government has had on them, and a strong case could be made that they face greater evil from government welfare than they did from racism. Roughly 4000 blacks were lynched over a 100 year period. Want to guess how many died violently last year?
Wow. You’re really uptight huh? You posted that twice! When you going to wise up Reb? You really think I like the current government don’t you? Here’s something for you , from Mark Twain. See if you can get your head around this; “Patriotism is supporting your country all of the time and your government when it deserves it’’. Currently this government doesn’t get my support but my country still does. Have fun in 1861 Reb. Hey, did you ever think of becoming a Civil War re-enactor?
The south, on it’s own did not have the industrial base to create enough machines to make much of a difference for at least a decade.
Slavery would have been in place until the turn of the century.
What I am saying is that folks like you would really get off having your nigrah mow your lawn.
Why don’t you go chain yourself to a pole, like a dog while I take your wife up to the big house to keep me warm.
Then tell me how wonderful living in the CSA would have been.
“Who looks back with more shame and regret: The Nazi’s or the southern racists? I pretty much think it’s a tie. “
That was one of the more ignorant statements ever made on FR.
The North had slavery during the Civil War. Slavery was started in the north by a black man enslaving another black man (Anthony Johnson enslaved John Castor). Lincoln didn’t free the slaves, the 13th amendment did. Lincoln never wanted to free any slaves per his first inaugural address 1861: “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”
I guess your public school propaganda didn’t bother to tell you about those facts. They just taught you to not think and be a liberal yelling racism against the South. Why would the liberal school system do that? Because the South were Republicans and the school system needed Democrats.
“The south, on it’s own did not have the industrial base to create enough machines to make much of a difference for at least a decade.”
You assume once the south broke from the north that there wasn’t to be any trade?
I am not arguing that. I am asking if another 25 years in chains is worth it? I argue it was not.
AND the problems associated with slaves running to the north would have lead to another war.
We can agree to disagree, but holding others in bondage is simply not right.
“What I am saying is that folks like you would really get off having your nigrah mow your lawn....Then tell me how wonderful living in the CSA would have been”
Much better than what we have today from you yankees. You stupidly assume every southerner had a slave.
Incredible stupid comment, even for a tree hugging lunatic. To much maple syrup for you.
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