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To: faucetman
"I don't think it is possible to produce a forgery that can't be shown to be one."

You're absolutely wrong about that. With access to the same type of equipment a document was originally created on there is no way to determine whether or not you're dealing with a forged document. And trust me, there several little enclaves of expert forgers working for the Federal government, experts who make it a point to have stocks of paper and equipment from any time frame all the way back to at least WWI.

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50 posted on 01/26/2011 7:02:36 AM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: Rashputin

We’ll have to agree to disagree. The paper, the ink, finger prints or lack thereof. Forensics would be able to prove the document a NEW document, not one from 1961.


67 posted on 01/26/2011 7:36:46 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Rashputin

The key to discovering forgeries would be to look not only at ALL the birth and citizenship records, but also at the transaction logs for each, to see when the record originated and what changes were made to it.

There is already a transaction log for Obama’s passport records that we know has been illegally accessed at least 3 times - which was allowable because somebody high up in John Brennan’s company specifically disabled the security protocols just during the times that those 3 breaches happened. John Brennan was immediately appointed as National Security Chief after the election. The investigation of those breaches, under the watchful eye of Joe Biden (who Obama offered a VP job) has been heavily redacted and Condi Rice has said there are NOT assurances that the records are accurate.

All this, together with the automatic date stamp which reveals that somebody at the Selective Service Administration forged a registration for Obama, are very good reasons that states should pass an eligibility bill not only requiring documentation of birth and citizenship facts, but should also require transaction logs for the official records.


80 posted on 01/26/2011 7:53:53 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Rashputin

Each manual typewriter has its own indivdual characteristics. They’d have to find one of the typewriters in use in the HI DoH at that time, not just the same make or style, but one of the exact ones that was in use.

Plus every file, archive, ledger and so on would have to be “fixed”.

Not very likely.


132 posted on 01/26/2011 2:07:09 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Rashputin; faucetman
And trust me, there several little enclaves of expert forgers working for the Federal government, experts who make it a point to have stocks of paper and equipment from any time frame all the way back to at least WWI.

What, like in that movie "The Counterfeiters"?

184 posted on 01/26/2011 7:21:09 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Rashputin
Typewriter keys of that era have a “finger print” due to the nicks and scratches that accumulate over time. All of the birth certificates produced by that Hawaiian office would have the same “finger prints” on each letter formed by the keys. That would hard to duplicate.

But...Ok...Let's say they could duplicate the paper and typing, etc. What about the numbering of each of those certificates? Then Obama’s fake certificate would have to match **exactly** any copies he may have used for any purpose throughout his life.

Also...There would be bound ledgers where his name would need to be have been entered and these ledgers would be in cursive. It would start in the delivery room. Hospitals are **meticulous** about this mother/baby entries. ( For obvious reasons.) The cursive handwriting in the ledgers would also need to match **exactly** the cursive handwriting found in the nurse's notes in the medical records.

Is the above possible even for an expert? If it were, we would have already seen Obama’s fake birth certificate.

Perhaps some Freeper who is an expert in these matters can provide even more reasons why a fake birth certificate would be hard to produce.

210 posted on 01/27/2011 4:47:19 AM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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