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To: patriot preacher; Ditto
patriot preacher: "They do NOT ultimately CARE about: States Rights, Individual Liberty, the Constitution, History, or Reason.

They only care about CONTROL. Power. That’s it."

What is your real problem, pal?
Why do you throw out false and reckless accusations, as if the real truth made no difference to you?

Don't you understand that every serious Freeper is here because we agree with Jim-Rob's philosophies and the sign on the "front door"?

"Welcome to Free Republic! America's exclusive site for God, Family, Country, Life & Liberty constitutional conservative activists!"

You're not talking to flaming liberals here -- you're talking to people who agree with you on just about every subject, except the South's secession, rebellion and Civil War.

And none of your false accusations logically follow from that disagreement.

patriot preacher: "In 1865 — they WON. They thrashed their opponents, pillaged his burgs and looted his goods, and have ever since maintained to one degree or another DOMINANCE over both the States AND the People."

You seem to be disoriented and confused.

The people who maintain, in your words, "DOMINANCE over both States AND the People" are not Lincoln's Conservative Republicans, they are YOUR Progressive Liberal Democrats -- beginning with Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt.
Your Southern Democrats voted for these Progressives, and many more, in overwhelming numbers, and they are the ones who destroyed the Constitution as it was known before.

Only in recent years, as the South's prosperity has hugely grown, did the South change from flaming economic Liberal Democrats to now solid Conservative Republicans.

Naturally, all true Conservatives welcome the South to our ranks -- we're glad you're here, and what took you so long?

But we don't think it's really "appropriate" that you should be blaming all ills on us, when there's also plenty of blame for the South to own up to.

patriot preacher: "The “Union minded Big Government conservatives” just want to spend $1.5 TRILLION or so."

No serious Free-per supports that kind of nonsense, so you're aiming your weapons at the wrong targets, pal.
We're not your enemies, we're your fellow Free Republic Conservatives.
We just don't like being accused of ridiculous nonsense.

patriot preacher: "Oh, one thing y’all did get right — it IS about slavery.
It’s about the enslavement of every “citizen” in the nation TO the Federal Government in Washington DC — and YOU FREAKING MADE IT HAPPEN!"

Ridiculous nonsense.
The Democrat South made it happen just as much as (if not more than) anyone.

195 posted on 12/23/2010 8:09:59 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

Amen Brother.


196 posted on 12/23/2010 8:40:34 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: BroJoeK

The Democrat South made it happen just as much as (if not more than) anyone.


Have you checked the electoral map RECENTLY? The South hasn’t been Democrat in well over 30 years. In fact, the ONLY area that has been SOLIDLY and reliably “BLUE” has been good ole’ New England. Not even the Industrial belt has had their track record, though they are shaded a lighted hue of blue. Most of the South, with the exception of some of the urban centers is DEEP RED.

DEEP RED = Conservative Values = “Washington, we’ve told you for over 150 years, GET OFF OUR BACKS!” But Washington won’t.

You can argue all day long, until you’re blue in the face, that you believe in Conservative values. I’ve no doubt you do. But your underlying philosophy, if it insists upon an understanding of the Constitution that allows the FINAL arbiter of Liberty to be the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, is ULTIMATELY NO DIFFERENT than the Progressive in the end! Period.

If the States do not retain the right to protect their own population, to sovereignly govern themselves outside those powers CLEARLY enumerated in the Constitution, and if those powers are transgressed, to nullify Federal authority or as a final remedy to secede from their tyrannical control, then LIBERTY is DEAD. And, in some ways, it has been for nearly 150 years.


204 posted on 12/23/2010 10:44:38 AM PST by patriot preacher
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To: BroJoeK; patriot preacher
...beginning with Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt.

In the 1912 election, Wilson won b/c Republicans split between Taft & Teddy Roosevelt. There were also problems within the Republican Party in the 1916 campaign that helped Wilson win a second term.

205 posted on 12/23/2010 11:04:44 AM PST by southernsunshine
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