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“You just called Swordmaker a liar. That is an ad hominem attack. If you do this again, I will call in a moderator.”

As long as you report swordmaker for his numerous and repeated posts where he called me a liar then fine, go for it.

But you have a double standard.

But you have a double standard.

I have one standard. It is the standard that all valid argumentation adheres to. Stop the ad hominem attacks. Stop the name calling.

You also said that I don't have integrity. That is an ad hominem attack. It's time for these ad hominem attacks to stop now.

As long as you report swordmaker for his numerous and repeated posts where he called me a liar then fine, go for it.

Please show me the posts in this thread where I have called you a "liar." The word has to be used... especially the "repeated posts." I have challenged your "facts" and posted information that proved them wrong... but that does not call YOU a liar. You are welcome to adopt the title if you think it fits, but I did not call you one.

Post 80 "Your comment is the nonsense. It's not based on facts."
Post 88 "You were making up figures. I provided accurate information instead of fantasies... No apologies from me for correcting your nonsense. . . or calling you on it."
Post 105 "I have no crow to eat... YOU posted the phony numbers, not me. I merely called you on your falsehoods... again. YOU have a fine dinner of crow, Driftdiver. Higher Revenue numbers make Nokia's pathetic profits on that revenue look FAR WORSE."
Post 110 "All right. I am sorry that driftdiver posted false figures and that I had to correct them. There. Public and full apology."
Post 123 "No, driftdiver, it is an observation of the tone of conversation... and frankly true. Neither of you can EVER admit the points of the opposition."
Post 133 "His post mentioned nothing about Nokia. YOU made it into a specific about Nokia, a Logical Fallacy, and distorted the figures, not Stripes1776. . . And YOU want integrity and honesty? Start at with yourself."
Post 145 "WOW! disagreeing with Driftdiver and Pugetsoundsoldier are the equivalent of personal attacks... requiring apologies and admissions. You have an exaggerated opinion of your opinions. In a word. NO."
Post 150 "Your denying it and calling it FUD is your pure unadulterated Apple Derangement Syndrome. "
Post 156 "I have made up absolutely NO numbers—nor has Stripes1776—I have sources for every one of the figures I posted. I always do. He offered a hypothetical question, which YOU changed to a specific company. Only you have made up numbers. You do it as though what you posted are real facts and expect us to accept your falsehoods as real for the debate. That's called a straw man argument and is a logical fallacy. You do it repeatedly."
Post 158 "Remember what I said about honesty and integrity starting at home... Look at your self, driftdiver. YOU ARE THE SOURCE OF THIS DISHONESTY."
Post 160 "I can always back up my statements with sources... and do. You seldom do. Just like this last one about BP spending more on the oil spill cleanup than Apple's revenue... a total lie.
You thought you could get away with it... you got caught. So you revert to your "unicorn" canard... a form of ad hominem implying I am the one believing in myths and untruths... but you are the one spouting them. I post links to my proofs... and can prove what I post. You can't."
Post 168 "Hey, driftdiver, you admitted it:

"Hey if Sword and Stripe can make up numbers so can I."
Truth is the absolute defense to a charge of slander. You admitted you made up the statement. Antirepublicrat also linked to the authoritative proof you were untruthful in a debate with the intent to win the point. Bad form, old boy... which goes to the quality of your character, showing a lack of integrity and dishonesty. Proof of both points. I am truly sorry, you lose. I had hoped for better from you. But cheating to win a debate is not a fair way to win respect and influence people... especially on a conservative forum. I'd expect it on a Liberal forum like Democrat Underground... but not here.
You have been impeached. As a result, all further claims to truth from you are suspect and will be given the weight they deserve... very little.
In a court of law, the judge would instruct the jury to weigh your testimony in light of your impeachment.
This is the exact thing that was being referred to earlier when it was commented about the tone of the discourse being lowered when trying to have a civil conversation with you. Civil people do not make up "facts" to try to win a discussion. They do not cry "foul" when their opponents call them on their egregious conduct, trying to deflect THEIR misconduct onto others. You do."

Those are all the statements that are remotely negative that I have made to you in this thread... they are not ad hominem because they attack the nature of your comments... and then later your conduct but not your person... because you continued them.

I attempted to avoid calling you directly a "liar" but rather to address the falseness of your comments. Unfortunately, the comments do reflect on the commentator... but that just the way it is. You even admitted to making up figures. If you make up facts, then own it.

I stand by what I wrote. To bad you can't.