[Swordmaker]

Then you back Jobs when he lies and says the other phones have the same problem.

And it has been proved from independent tests that every one of the phones listed, does indeed have attenuation issues when held in certain ways, and their own operation manuals warn about how not to hold them. YOU choose to ignore that proof. There is no lie.

Its a poor design, a senior Apple engineer told Jobs about it and the product was released anyway.

ONE blogger made that claim, and it was quoted by Bloomberg. . . using an "unnamed" source. No one has corroborated that it was true and the senior design team at Apple along with Jobs publicly deny it happened.

• Q: Bloomberg article said you were told of antenna concerns? Jobs: "It's a total crock… Total bullshit."

That's an official statement by the CEO of Apple in a press conference that can be relied on by stockholders and investors. If the evidence comes out that he was lying, both he and Apple can be sued by the Stockholders. Jobs is NOT stupid. I suggest you drop your false claims based on made up, falsified evidence. Bloomberg has corrected the record by reporting Jobs statement and noting that the earlier report was in error. You've been told this before and you again go for the falsehood rather than the truth.

As for requesting moderation, the mods used to enforce civility on FR and your behavior would not have been tolerated. That day has passed for some reason.

[PA Engineer]

That's an official statement by the CEO of Apple in a press conference that can be relied on by stockholders and investors.

That is a very important point, especially when investors are seeking shelter from a global depression.

[driftdiver]

So you’re going to post to me knowing I said I wasn’t going to post on your thread? Why would you do that?

[PugetSoundSoldier]

And it has been proved from independent tests that every one of the phones listed, does indeed have attenuation issues when held in certain ways, and their own operation manuals warn about how not to hold them. YOU choose to ignore that proof. There is no lie.

You're lying again, Swordmaker. It's not the signal attenuation that's the issue, it's the detuning of the antenna when you bridge the two together with a single finger. This was objectively PROVEN by Consumer Reports and Anandtech.

And Anandtech proved that the exposed antenna design was responsible for another 10 dB of signal loss. If the antennas were not external and exposed, then the iPhone 4 would be about on par with other phones. But because the antenna is exposed, it's 10 dB WORSE.

Yours is the familiar lie by omission and confusion and you're puffing more of Apple's marketing smoke to try to obscure the facts.