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To: El Gato
"All that only applies if the thing is presented in Court, and if it really has a raised seal and appropriate signature."

Well... in a court, or presented to the State Department for a passport, or stuff like that. Any and all official uses.

"Since it was only after folks pointed out the lack of a seal that, lo and behold, one appeared, hyper-visible, in the Fart Check photos, we can surely be forgiven for doubting the reality of that raised seal."

Actually, the raised seal was also visible on the original scanned image too. Not quite as clearly as when the certificate was held in better light by the FactCheck reporters, but it was definitely there. Even Polarik said so:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2040531/posts

" Not to mention other "irregularities, in the information, such as BHO, the father's race as African, rather than the expected (in 1961) "Negro".

Here's an even earlier Hawaii COLB that shows the father's race as "American." That's not a race. It's a continental designation. Just like African.



So, not so irregular after all.
2,208 posted on 03/01/2010 8:36:07 AM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins
Well... in a court, or presented to the State Department for a passport, or stuff like that. Any and all official uses.

So what document did Obama show to the state department for a passport?? It wasn't the June 2007 COLB.

Actually, the raised seal was also visible on the original scanned image too. Not quite as clearly as when the certificate was held in better light by the FactCheck reporters, but it was definitely there.

Not on the scan posted by Obama at FTS. It was on a larger scan, consistent with what might happen when you scan a copy of a copy. The seal is so faint that it's not strong evidence that it was actually contained on a birth document as alleged. The flunkcheck.org photos have their own set of problems which again makes any claim of authenticity extremely suspicious.

Here's an even earlier Hawaii COLB that shows the father's race as "American." That's not a race. It's a continental designation. Just like African.

The problem with your example was that the race was declared in 1907 well before we had standardized race categories, such as were in place in 1961, when Obama was allegedly born. I still agree that Barak Sr. might have identified himself as African, but your example doesn't invalidate that Barak's race should have been listed differently.

2,212 posted on 03/01/2010 8:46:44 AM PST by edge919
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