The only big issue I see is whether or not you are going to read the cases or the excerpts and believe what your eyes are telling you.
So far you guys are going all around the block to avoid that.
parsy, who figures the cases say what the cases say
... while steadfastly ignoring that he's been show more than once how they don't say what parsy thinks, and with parsy's own citations.
How about addressing what I actually said. You have a very hard time doing that.