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To: butterdezillion; Danae

If you examine the twins’ certificates, you’ll notice the following:

To the left of the local registrar’s signature, there is a box for a datestamp by the local registrar. Then there is the signature box for the local registrar. Inside that box, there appears to be a date stamped very close to the signature. I can’t make out what it says. Perhaps someone else can run it through photoshop and tell us what the numbers are. Then to the right of the local registrar’s signature, there is a box for a datestamp by the “Reg. General” (At least I think that’s what it says. I can’t see that very well either.)

So do we have enough certificates to know if the dates are always the same between those two boxes? Having them the same leads me to believe they came from the same stamp and person. And I contend it’s the local registrar who’s stamping that date.

So if the local registrar had to datestamp the form and the Registrar General had to datestamp the form, I could see the latter using the local registrar’s datestamp as the official date filed/accepted because the local registrar is authorized by the state. Then the state/country registrar assigns and stamps a certificate number at the top of the form as her final approval.

When titling cars, we had to sign and date odometer statements and titles to match the date on the sales contract because if the dates didn’t match, the title work would be rejected by the state. That made a mess because the buyer had to come back to the dealership and sign all new paperwork and then the finance contracts had to re-done and re-submitted to the bank. It was a mess.

As I said, I just want you to consider that there are other possibilities.


164 posted on 02/23/2010 1:18:25 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Okubo said in her e-mail that the dates the local registrar got the BC and the date that the state registrar assigned a number to it were almost always the same for an Oahu birth.

That agrees with all the certs I’ve observed - showing that the local registrars gathered their certs for a week as required by the rules, signed them, and then submitted them to the state registrar the same day.

That flies directly in the face of what you’re suggesting might have happened.


179 posted on 02/23/2010 1:35:22 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: BuckeyeTexan
To the left of the local registrar’s signature, there is a box for a datestamp by the local registrar. Then there is the signature box for the local registrar. Inside that box, there appears to be a date stamped very close to the signature

I am going to make an educated guess and say that it says DEPUTY. On my document as you can see above, it says "DEPUTY" and that appears to be a hand stamp as well.

I believe that the "Date of Signature" next to the registrar's signature would be the date the registrar (in a local office on say Kauai) signed it. The "Date Accepted By Reg. General" would have meant the date it was given its File number in Honolulu. If the baby was born in Honolulu, those dates would be the same because the office there was the one that handled all the certificates in the state. If a baby was born on an outer island most likely they would be different.

The Date received by the local office would be noted, and then the date the Reg. General accepted it officially and gave it a file number.

There were two boxes to accommodate the travel time it took to get from the outer islands to Oahu and the Office in which the documents were given their file numbers.

I am following where you are going and I appreciate you playing devils advocate and trying to find a mundane explanation for this significant inconsistency. Rule out the simple explanations before jumping to wild conclusions, I totally get you! :) But it isn't doing the trick. 3 days filing difference and the reversed numbering order does not make sense coming out of the same office.
195 posted on 02/23/2010 1:54:51 PM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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