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To: Seizethecarp

The UIPA requests got real messy when the DOH started claiming that applications, requests, receipts, post-it notes, etc. are PART of the vital record in question. In such a case, the index data becomes suspect, because it may represent a file folder containing nothing more than post-it notes and chewing gum wrappers. That’s why I wasn’t convinced that the alleged SAD marriage index data was proof of anything. It may just be a marriage license application. The best proof the couple was married was a divorce record, except that it lacks any tangible acknowledgment from the husband of the marriage or paternity. It’s like SAD created a paper trail that was woefully short of concrete evidence. Also, don’t most states require witness to sign the marriage certificates?? The story was there were no guests and no named witnesses of the marriage.

I agree that Barak Sr. may have been a bigamist whose marriage to SAD would legally be invalidated and thus make Barry II illegitimate. (This is Barry’s best shot at being a natural born citizen, except that it relies on the statutory definition of natural born.) The only problem is that there is no documentary evidence of Barak Sr.’s marriage to Kezia, which could mean he wasn’t really a bigamist. The perfect storm of missing documentations rolls on.


1,489 posted on 02/26/2010 3:15:22 PM PST by edge919
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To: edge919

I’ve requested a non-certified copy of the marriage certificate for BHO and SAD. The administrative rules authorize it to be released to anybody who asks for it.

But the DOH isn’t into this following the rules stuff. They refused. I showed them where it was authorized and that UIPA requires documents authorized for release to be released. They e-mailed back saying they had already answered my request.

I guess that must have been when Takase decided I was mentally ill because I couldn’t understand that I had already been given my answer...


1,506 posted on 02/26/2010 3:31:10 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: edge919
“The UIPA requests got real messy when the DOH started claiming that applications, requests, receipts, post-it notes, etc. are PART of the vital record in question. In such a case, the index data becomes suspect, because it may represent a file folder containing nothing more than post-it notes and chewing gum wrappers. That’s why I wasn’t convinced that the alleged SAD marriage index data was proof of anything. It may just be a marriage license application.”

Vital records only preserve activity associated with actual vital events, in my understanding. The HI marriage vital record index that DOH released with Obama Sr. and Dunham as the groom and bride would only be for the vital event of a legally completed marriage, not just an application. That record was stated to be a marriage record by DOH.

1,558 posted on 02/26/2010 5:03:44 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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