If true, we don't know whether Dr. West had seen a report of an HI birth or a report of a foreign birth to an HI resident.
If Toot went to a local registrar to report the Kenya birth of her HI resident daughter on Aug 8, 1961, the "accepted" filing (looking perhaps like the Blaine BC) would have gone into a pile at DOH separate in time from the Kap. hospital BCs.
Such a Kenya birth BC might have been reported to the newspapers one week before the Nordyke twins based on an "accepted by the local registrar" status in field 20 of the 1961 long form. It might not yet have been "accepted by the "Registrar Gen.", as it says in field 22, which may have been the trigger for assignment of a certificate number.
What I am suggesting is that DOH reporting of births to newspapers of births may have been made after BCs were accepted, but before they were filed in some cases. Also DOH may have reported foreign births of HI residents to newspapers without any special notation.
Thus the appearance of birth announcements in HI papers doesn't tell you where the birth took place or whether the BC was only accepted, or was also filed with a certificate number assigned. Fukino and Obuko weren't there so they may be guessing and the people who were there in 1961 are likely dead or retired.
Or what’s even more likely is that the state DOH didn’t report the births to the papers at all in 1961. But that’s another day’s post. lol.
All kinds of things could have happened. I should know. Most people still think I’m dead, but it was a big set up. I just got tired of all the groupies, the pills, the stress, the phony friends, and the stupid movie contracts. I had to get away and get back to my roots. I still write songs, under different names. I still play for my real friends.
But I just ain’t going back out there again. I sneak into the house every so often. I loved it there. I loved my Cadillac. But I wouldn’t trade it for this little cabin of mine and this old pick up truck. And all that fancy chow—well I traded it all for a slice of Texas cow.
parsy, who says, “That’s all right, now mama... “
And we don't know if that conversation ever took place. She used the name of a Doctor who had recently died.
If Toot went to a local registrar to report the Kenya birth of her HI resident daughter on Aug 8, 1961, the "accepted" filing (looking perhaps like the Blaine BC) would have gone into a pile at DOH separate in time from the Kap. hospital BCs.
That is what fascinates me about the entire BC saga. In 1961, if I wanted a birth announcement to appear in the local newspaper, I simply completed the appropriate form at the newspaper office counter, paid the fee...newspapers aren't published for nothing. Space has to be paid for. Another question: WHAT IF THE PARENTS DID NOT WISH THE BIRTH TO BE ANNOUNCED?
The system we are expected to believe does not allow for any choice for the parents! The birth will be ANNOUNCED WHETHER IT SUITS YOU OR NOT?
Such a Kenya birth BC might have been reported to the newspapers one week before the Nordyke twins based on an "accepted by the local registrar" status in field 20 of the 1961 long form. It might not yet have been "accepted by the "Registrar Gen.", as it says in field 22, which may have been the trigger for assignment of a certificate number.
Someone had to go the newspaper office and PLACE THE ANNOUNCENT. Pay the fee. The newspaper wouldn't ask; where was the child born, and btw, SHOW ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
What I am suggesting is that DOH reporting of births to newspapers of births may have been made after BCs were accepted, but before they were filed in some cases. Also DOH may have reported foreign births of HI residents to newspapers without any special notation.
You get what you pay for? So many lines.
Thus the appearance of birth announcements in HI papers doesn't tell you where the birth took place or whether the BC was only accepted, or was also filed with a certificate number assigned. Fukino and Obuko weren't there so they may be guessing and the people who were there in 1961 are likely dead or retired.
Mrs Nordyke could answer all that, but don't hold your breath. HER story was that the birth took place in the same hospital as her twins. Not bad, considering there's been NO EVIDENCE THAT STANLEY ANN DUNHAM WAS PHYSICALLY IN HAWAII.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081222/NEWS01/812220320/-1/RSS02?source=rss_localnews
NORDYKE ARTICLE REMOVED. Here’s the text:
December 22, 2008
Twin sisters, Obama on parallel paths for years
Born in same hospital within hours of each other, educated together
Retracing the steps of history, Eleanor Nordyke now realizes that she was in labor with twin daughters while Barack Obama, now the president-elect, was being born at what is now Kapi-’olani Medical Center for Women & Children.
The twins, Susan “Nunu” Bell and Gretchen “Nini” Worthington, were not only born in the same hospital hours after the future president, but also ended up in the same classes with Obama at Noelani Elementary School and later at Punahou School from the seventh grade to graduation in 1979.
“I think it was remarkable that they just so happened to be born within 24 hours of each other and grew up knowing each other,” Nordyke said.
She did not know Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, while they were in labor together on Aug. 4, 1961, at the old Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.
But Nordyke was a population research fellow at the East-West Center while Dunham was there. And Nordyke later met Madelyn Dunham — Ann Dunham’s mother and Obama’s grandmother — during a cruise to Tahiti in 2002.
“She was placed at our table on the ship,” Nordyke said. “She sat with us on that ship for three weeks. She told us that her daughter had passed away and that she had raised her grandson, and he was a social worker in Chicago.”
When Obama was making his successful presidential run, Nordyke realized that her daughters were born within hours of him at the same hospital.
The Hawai’i certificate of live birth that Obama displays on his Web site shows he was born at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4.
Nordyke was well into labor by then with girls who were three weeks premature. By 2 p.m. the following day, Susan was born at 5 pounds, 12 ounces, and Gretchen weighed in at 6 pounds, 4 ounces.
As toddlers, the girls called each other “Nunu” and “Nini” “and the other children picked it up, and we held onto it all this time,” Nordyke said.
With the names Nordyke and Obama, the twins were often pictured near Obama in their class yearbooks, their mother said.
The daughters now live on the Mainland, and neither returned repeated telephone messages seeking comment.
But one or both may return to Honolulu in June when their class celebrates its 30th reunion, Nordyke said.
Reach Dan Nakaso at dnakaso@honoluluadvertiser.com.