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To: edge919
Well, you've certainly fallen for the intentional double-speak. Director Fukino did not cite an official birth document to back up her claim of Hawaiian birth.

Correct. She cited the state's official vital records.

This is signficant. The ONLY documents in that office that legally verify birth for Obama would have to be an original, doctor-signed birth certificate.

Not true. Official state vital records are sufficient to prove birth in the US before any court of law or government agency.

Additionally, she made a statement that is NOT contained on ANY official document maintained by her department ... that of claiming anyone to be a 'natural-born American citizen.'

LOL. Her department records show he was born on US soil, which in the common understanding means he's a natural born citizen.

Because of this, her statement loses a great deal of credibility. There is no evidence that the records of the said department ARE correct.

State vital records are presumed accurate until proven otherwise.

1,337 posted on 02/26/2010 10:33:03 AM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

Hey! Glad you joined us. The natives are a little restless, if you know what I mean. I put a thorazine spell on the thread, and it will take a while to kick in. They had a bad night so I went ahead and dosed ‘em.

parsy, who can do stuff like this...


1,340 posted on 02/26/2010 10:39:31 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: curiosity

Part A. Wrong. Part B. Wrong. Said records have to have legal weight and veracability to prove birth. Nothing cited nor presented meets this standard. Part C. She cited unknown records with no determinant value. If they were presented in court, different story. Part D. Yet we don’t know if she’s talking about “state” vital records and none say ANYTHING about “natural-born American citizen.” IOW, she’s been caught in a lie.


1,343 posted on 02/26/2010 10:42:27 AM PST by edge919
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To: curiosity
Official state vital records are sufficient to prove birth in the US before any court of law or government agency.

Unless challenged. You do understand the meaning, both literal and legal, of prima-faciedo you not?

Latin for "at first view."

Evidence that is sufficient to raise a presumption of fact or to establish the fact in question unless rebutted.

But if the prima-facie evidence is never presented in court, it's kinda hard to rebut it. Made even more difficult by the concealment of the underlying documentation.

1,712 posted on 02/26/2010 10:41:24 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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