[nathanbedford]

In response to your replies let me repeat a reply of a moment ago and then add something new at the foot:

The impeachment of Bill Clinton teaches us that the barometer whether or not a president will be removed has not to do with the justice of the cause but with the president's approval ratings and that in turn has a lot to do with the state of the economy.

I am not as clairvoyant as you are, I do not know what the military will do much less the people who might or might not take to the streets, I only know that we have recent history of the impeachment of Bill Clinton to instruct us and the lessons seem to run the other way.

You state the question: "If it is clearly found that Obama is ineligible". But there is the rub, who is going to find ineligibility? Such a finding cannot come out of the air, it cannot be rendered here on Free Republic, the military -that would be the most dangerous of all, if it is to be done it must be done by a court, the Congress, or simply the moral weight of public opinion. In other words, you had Judge Sirica pushing Watergate. You have Sam Irwin's committee pushing Watergate. You had the Washington Post and the rest of the press pushing Watergate. There is simply no institution available to us except Free Republic and a few stalwart patriots who will press the issue and we have not the power to force the evidence open. The problem is who? In my previous post I stated what I thought it would not be the Congress and not be the courts. That leaves you with my.

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You're quite right, the situation is unprecedented so one man's opinion is almost as good as another except when it conflicts with explicit clauses of the Constitution.

It seems to me that whatever way we find out of such a crisis, certainly the one way we do not want to go is to remove the president by vigilante. The Constitution provides a method for the removal of a president. Obama may be a fraud but he is the president. If every time we had a dissident group declaring that the court and the Congress have defaulted on their responsibilities to remove the president who is a fraud and therefore illegitimate, ab initio, so they will go ahead themselves and remove him, you have at best vigilante-ism and at worst anarchy.

[wintertime]

Thank you.

[waxer1]

The Bill Clinton situation is really not apropos here.

This is not a case of someone commiting purjury in a court case.

This is circumventing the Constitution. This is a commission of a fraud.

I never said with any certainty that the military would have to step in. I will say this though, I do believe that if and its a Big IF the facts of this case proves to be true there may be some kind of civil unrest if this is not fixed. The big question will be does the Constitution represent the law of the land or not? Are we a Republic or a third world country?

Public opinon does not and should not matter. It is the law.

He may to you be president but for me, until he produces his birth certificate he is not mine.

If he is not an American Citizen by birth, and the Congress and Courts do not do their duty, then you may have people armed with torches and pitchforks ready to take care of this. No, I do not want this.

Like I said in an earlier post, I hope for this country’s sake that in the end he is proven to be an American Citizen, because I feel that all of us here regardless as to our position in this matter want this to be so.