Medical science can do wonders for ADD, ya know.
Posted on 01/17/2009 1:52:28 PM PST by JoeProBono
CHAMA, NM - Several meandering V-shaped UFOs near a mountain slope here turned up on a woman's digital photos. Three photos shot with a 21 megapixel camera caught multiple crafts approaching in the first frame, one craft in frame two moving close to the ground while the others take positions in the sky, and then frame three shows all of the crafts moving out of the area.
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You post a dinky 320x240 image of who-knows-what and expect people to simply know what it is?
Bizarre.
BTW: the camera time and date settings were incorrect, it was actually very near noon PST at the Paris hotel/casino and the date was off by a few days...
THANKS.
I loved it that you were able to get such shots on your vacation there.
The clueless will not be convinced until one lands in their laps and castrates them.
maybe next time he/she goes to feed the horses he/she will remember to exit freerepublic from his/her friend’s computer before he/she leaves his/her freeper friend’s home.
Can you imagine blaming a fellow freeper when one has made a posting that they regretted?
What a piece of work!!!
I know you're lying there in orgiastic glee, cigarette in hand, thinking that you gave it to old JoJo Gunn in front of the world, but the thing is, you're a few days behind the curve.
Ah wellllll . . . I was wondering what the equivalent megapixel rating is for normal high quality slide film???
Some naysayers are sometimes reduced to indignantly sputtering about petty nonsense when their meanness doesn’t get a lot of traction.
Medical science can do wonders for ADD, ya know.
Clearly, Dave,
some folks just ‘had to be there’
or ‘there’ wasn’t real.
Must be tough being an absolute ‘objectivist’ given that sooooooooooooooo much of reality just does NOT fit that tiny tidy little box.
Gotta ping list? May I enroll?
CERTAINLY,
I Robot;
Las Vegas Dave will put you on his copy of the UFO ping list and I’ll put you on Joya’s copy until my computer is fixed.
Have you or those close to you had any interesting experiences, observations or connections about any/all such?
Obama administration to clash with corporations over UFO files
President Obama’s January 21 Memoranda to promote Open Government and strengthen the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) are intended to release unnecessarily classified national security files. Among the many millions of classified files to ultimately be released, some will concern UFOs and extraterrestrial life. From these releases, UFO enthusiasts and exopolitical researchers hope to find clues into how government policy has been developed. More importantly, FOIA releases will point to where the bulk of the nation’s UFO files are located. That’s when the Obama administration will run up against corporate control of UFO files and policy.
Testimonial evidence exists that corporations have become the ultimate repository of the nation’s UFO secrets. A number of whistleblowers have emerged revealing how corporate control has been achieved. A recently deceased corporate whistleblower revealed how during the mid-1980s, he worked for six months as an archivist for a large aerospace defense contractor based in California. It was a temporary assignment with his employer at an obscure office building. The archivist found many files dealing with flying saucers and extraterrestrial life. The files contained: “Reports, photos, media materials (tapes, films, video cassettes) and material from crashed saucers.” When asked where the files came from he revealed the “materials came from everywhere. CIA, Air Force, Navy, Army, DARPA, NORAD, DoD, FBI, and government officials to name most.”
If the archivist’s testimony is accurate, this means that prior to the mid-1980s UFO files were taken out of the possession of U.S. government agencies and military departments due to security concerns. One reason for this is that the proprietary rights of corporations would enable UFO files to remain hidden from the prying hands of congressmen, and private citizens using the Freedom of Information Act first passed in 1966 and strengthened in 1974.
The above scenario is supported by comments by Ben Rich, former CEO of Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works. In hand written responses to questions from John Andrews of the Testor Corporation in 1986, Rich confirmed the existence of both man-made and extraterrestrial UFOs. Most importantly, Rich revealed to Andrews how control of UFO files had slipped from the U.S. military to private corporations. Andrews relayed Rich’s responses to questions from UFO investigator William McDonald which confirmed:
Former astronaut, Dr Edgar Mitchell recently confirmed an incident in 1997 where the Head of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff was supplied the code names of UFO related projects, but was denied need-to-access. The first to report the incident was UFO researcher, Dr Steven Greer, who in 2001 revealed that Admiral Wilson was furious over his failure to gain access. On a July 4, 2008 CNN interview, Dr Mitchell confirmed Greer’s version of events when he said that Admiral Wilson “had found the people responsible for the cover-up and for the people who were in the know and were told, I’m sorry, admiral, you do not have need to know here and so, goodbye.” A reliable source furthermore revealed to UFO researcher Richard Dolan that Admiral Wilson was frustrated by attorneys of a corporation that denied him access. I interviewed an active duty U.S. Navy officer in October 2008 who confirmed the powerful role of corporations involved in UFO projects.
A number of senior officials in the Obama administration were deeply involved in Clinton administration efforts to disclose files concerning UFOs. If President Obama’s January 21 Memoranda are fully implemented, FOIA requests will allow much information about UFOs to emerge. This will give important clues to where the bulk of the nation’s UFO files are kept. That is when the Obama administration will run up against powerful corporate interests claiming proprietary control of UFO information and advanced extraterrestrial technology. The Obama administration will ultimately need to confront corporate interests that house UFO files, and controlled UFO policy since the Nixon Administration.
I believe that entirely.
I believed the Admiral’s story when I first came across it.
The Oligarchy reigns.
They just don’t realize that God reigns higher.
Follow-on article . . .
CEO of NASA contractor Lockheed knew of extraterrestrial UFO visitors
December 23, 8:49 PM
by Jeff Peckman, Denver UFO Examiner
Lockheed “Skunk Works” former CEO knew the Roswell extraterrestial UFO influenced designs of Testor model kits for Roswell UFO models, and U.S. top secret aircraft. According to a CNI News report by Colorado resident Michael Lindemann, the design information was derived from forensic illustrations and numerous witness testimonies about the Roswell UFO, provided by William L. “Bill” McDonald.
In an e-mail, dated July 29, 1999, apparently addressed to Lindemann, McDonald referenced an excerpt of a discussion with Harold Puthoff, founder of the previously highly classified U.S. “remote viewing” program. McDonald said:
“Well Hal, you asked for it! Now that legendary Lockheed engineer and chief model kit designer for the Testor Corporation, John Andrews, is dead, I can announce that he personally confirmed the design connection between the Roswell Spacecraft and the Lockheed Martin Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles (UCAVs), spyplanes, Joint Strike Fighters, and Space Shuttles. Andrews was a close personal friend of “Skunk Works” CEO Ben Rich — the hand-picked successor of Skunk Works founder Kelly Johnson and the man famous for the F-117 Nighthawk “Stealth” fighter, its “half-pint” prototype the “HAVE BLUE”, and the top-secret F-19 Stealth Interceptor. Before Rich died of cancer, Andrews took my questions to him.
Dr. Ben R. Rich confirmed:
1. There are 2 types of UFOs — the ones we build and ones ‘they’ build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual “hand-me-downs.” The Government knew and until 1969 took an active hand in the administration of that information. After a 1969 Nixon “purge”, administration was handled by an international board of directors in the private sector…
3. Nearly all “biomorphic” aerospace designs were inspired by the Roswell spacecraft — from Kelly’s SR-71 Blackbird onward to today’s drones, UCAVs, and aerospace craft…
7. It was Ben Rich’s opinion that the public should not be told [about ufos and extraterrestrials]. He believed they could not handle the truth — ever. Only in the last months of his decline did he begin to feel that the “international corporate board of directors” dealing with the “Subject” could represent a bigger problem to citizens’ personal freedoms under the United States Constitution than the presence of off-world visitors themselves.”
Lindemann added that “Bill McDonald received the above information from Andrews from 1994 until their last phone call near Christmas in 1998.” Lindemann also noted “It should also be known that Dr. Ben R. Rich attended a public aerospace designers and engineers conference in 1993 before his illness overwhelmed him in which he stated — in the presence of MUFON Orange County Section Director Jan Harzan and many others that – ‘We’ (i.e., the U.S. aerospace community/military industrial complex) had in it’s possession the technology to “take us to the stars”.
See the complete letter from John Andrews and the hand written reply from Dr. Ben Rich. Hear more revealing testimony from Disclosure Project whistleblowers. NASA can not deny secrets discovered by UK hacker Gary McKinnon and many astronauts if it expects full funding from the Obama White House administration.
THIS:
1. There are 2 types of UFOs — the ones we build and ones ‘they’ build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual “hand-me-downs.”
IS yet another confirmation of assertions of my relative.
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This is a very pregnant assertion . . .
Only in the last months of his decline did he begin to feel that the “international corporate board of directors” dealing with the “Subject” could represent a bigger problem to citizens’ personal freedoms under the United States Constitution than the presence of off-world visitors themselves.”
Another interesting follow-on article:
US Navy X-Files known to Obama’s Intelligence Chief
January 16, 8:21 AM
by Michael Salla, Ph.D., Honolulu Exopolitics Examiner
After confirmation by the U.S. Senate, Retired Admiral Dennis Blair will formally begin his new position as Director of National Intelligence. He will become the nominal head of the U.S. Intelligence Community and will be responsible for coordinating intelligence data among 16 U.S. intelligence agencies. Blair will depend on the intelligence agencies to cooperate with the Office of Director National Intelligence by sharing their intelligence data. Most data to be shared will deal with terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, armed international conflict, and other national security issues well known to the general public. His office, however, will receive only limited if any data on the Intelligence Community’s X-files – classified files dealing UFOs and extraterrestrial life. Blair’s final naval appointment, however, gave him ‘need-to-know’ access to the X-Files of the U.S. Navy. This makes it possible for him to attempt to coordinate intelligence data from the X-Files of all the Intelligence Community.
Dennis Blair finished his 34-year naval career as Commander-in-Chief of United States Pacific Command (USPACOM), the highest-ranking officer over all U.S. forces in the Asia-Pacific region (1999-2002). Headquartered at Honolulu, Hawaii, the U.S. Pacific Command is the oldest and largest of the ten Unified Combatant Commands. Blair’s position gave him access to the U.S. Navy’s X-Files.
The existence of the Navy’s X-Files was first revealed by deceased Navy whistleblower, William Cooper. From 1970-1973, Cooper served as part of the Intelligence Briefing Team of Admiral Bernard Clarey, Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet (CINCPAC). Cooper’s job was to help brief Admiral Clarey about the latest naval intelligence on national security issues. During the final years of service with U.S. naval intelligence, Cooper had Top Secret and ‘Q’ level security clearances, and ‘need-to-know’ access to the Navy’s X-Files. He witnessed numerous documents concerning UFOs and extraterrestrial life. To support his claims, Cooper was willing to “produce the names of approximately 38 U.S. Navy officers and enlisted men who witnessed these documents while in the service of their country.” Cooper’s claims were never investigated in any public inquiry
As head of USPACOM, Admiral Blair was senior in rank to then Commander of CINCPAC. Blair therefore had access to the same intelligence data that Cooper’s CINCPAC and his successors enjoyed. In short, Admiral Blair had ‘need-to-know’ access to the Navy’s X-Files.
Another interesting follow-on article:
Obama’s choice of CIA Director signals renewed effort to disclose CIA X-Files
January 7, 4:23 PM
by Michael Salla, Ph.D., Honolulu Exopolitics Examiner
Leon Edward Panetta
President Elect Obama did more than just play golf and relax at his exclusive Kailua beachfront rental during his end of year Hawaii holiday. He spent time deciding on who would fill one of his key national security positions – Director of the CIA. His choice of an outsider to the intelligence community, Leon Panetta, has been both welcomed and criticized by intelligence experts.
Panetta achieved prominence as President Clinton’s Chief of Staff (1994-1997). He is a veteran political insider and his supporters hope he can rebuild morale in the CIA which was badly tarnished by faulty intelligence assessments that led to the Iraq war.
Significantly, Panetta is close to John Podesta who served as Panetta’s deputy during the Clinton Administration. Podesta eventually became Clinton’s Chief of Staff from 1998-2001. Podesta currently serves as co-chair of Obama’s transition team, and the selection of Panetta reflects Podesta’s influence.
Podesta has been an outspoken advocate of increased declassification of government documents. Both Panetta and Podesta were in key positions to support President Clinton’s Executive Order 12958 passed on April 17 1995. EO 12958 made it easier to declassify national security information that had been unnecessarily classified for decades.
Among the many classified national security files targeted for declassification were those related to FBI’s X-Files The X-Files was a term that could be traced to the FBI’s historic efforts to get to the bottom of the UFO phenomenon. These files were often categorized under “Flying Discs: Security Matter-X”. The X-Files became immortalized in the hit television series of the same name.
During the Clinton administration, Podesta was open about his interest in the X-Files television series. This led to his support for declassification of many national security files, especially those concerning UFOs. On October 22, 2002, Podesta made a statement at the National Press Club concerning the legality of UFO information that has not been released to the public on national security grounds. He said: “I think it’s time to open the books on questions that have remained in the dark on the question of government investigations of UFOs.”
Interest in finding about UFOs in the Clinton administration wasn’t just limited to Podesta.
Webster Hubbell was a personal friend of President Clinton who had appointed him as associate attorney general of the Justice Department. In his autobiography, Hubbell wrote: “Clinton had said, ‘If I put you over at Justice I want you to find the answers to two questions for me. One, who killed JFK? And two, are there UFOs?’... Clinton was dead serious. I had looked into both, but wasn’t satisfied with the answers I was getting.” .
Clinton’s interest in finding the truth of UFOs very likely influenced his choice of the last Intelligence Community outsider, who like Panetta, was asked to head the CIA. Former CIA Director James Woolsey was very interested in finding out about any UFO information secretly kept at the CIA. In fact, Woolsey was given an informal ‘briefing’ by Dr Stephen Greer in 1993 who told him what civilian researchers had discovered about UFOs. Woolsey then ordered the CIA to prepare a report on all its information about UFOs. Woolsey was part of a hushed up effort by the Clinton administration to find the truth about UFOs.
The choice of Panetta as CIA Director signals that the Obama administration is also interested in the declassification of files concerning UFOs. Panetta will likely spearhead efforts by the Obama administration to pressure the CIA to release its deepest held secrets – the CIA’s X-Files.
OTOH, there sure has been a lot of activity recently re: sightings.
Most of me would still rather that disclosure were 50 years off.
Alas, it’s not.
What % increase would you guesstimate has occurred in the last 6 months in sightings/incident increase?
Though my degrees are in math...my career was on Wall St (yeah, disgusting...but we all make mistakes). I am trained to avoid off-the-cuff guesses.
Ergo, I will look at the news and make a semi-scientific measurement.
Like you, I feel in my bones that disclosure is unfolding. However, it would be interesting to make a somewhat measurable estimate over a fixed period of time.
I will do a little ground work and send you the results via FR mail.
Here’s some excerpts from:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2166563/posts?page=893
An Australian catalog of trace evidence cases—cases where the environment was left with tangible evidence of a UFO’s having been there.
THE 1966 TULLY SAUCER “NEST”
1966 was again a major year for UFO activity in Australia. The classic UFO landing at Horseshoe Lagoon near Tully, far north Queensland, and witnessed by farmer George Pedley, entered the term UFO “nest” into popular UFO parlance. The locality was the centre of an extended UFO milieu that continued for many years, particularly in 1969, 1972 and 1975. The area was also the site of controversial and fascinating experiments in UFO detection through remote sensing and filming.
Farmer, George Pedley’s sighting at Horseshoe Lagoon and the physical evidence found there caused a media sensation. The Tully “UFO nest” affair of 1966 is one of the best known accounts of an apparent UFO landing report. It has been mentioned extensively in the UFO literature over the years,and yet surprisingly many inaccuracies and misconceptions have developed. These problems became more critical when the famous Tully incident of January 19, 1966, once again became the focus of attention, this time due to the English “crop circle” controversy. The prominent schools of thought on the crop circle formations adopted the 1966 Tully incident as a classic example of their percieved explanations for the circle complexes. Their claims about the relevance of the Tully incident as an example of the currently perceived crop circle phenomenon were flawed and generally unfounded.
My research of the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) files uncovered the original police report on the incident. As these are the earliest documented sources they will be quoted in detail:
At about 9.00 a.m. on 19th January, 1966, Mr. G.A. Pedley, a banana grower of Tully, Qld, observed a light grey non reflecting dull object, reported to be about 25 feet long and 8 feet deep, rise vertically then climb on an angle of 450 from a height of about 30 feet above marshland which was situated about 25 yards away from his position. There was an associated hissing noise which descreased as the ‘object’ rose. The apparent shape was described as ‘two saucers, face to face’, but no structural detail was observed. The duration of the observation was approximately 15 seconds and it disappeared in mid-air whilst receding into the distance (not assessed).
A clearly defined near circular depression remained in evidence in swamp grass at the point from which the object was seen rising, and measured about 32 feet long by 25 feet wide. The grass was flattened in clockwise curves to water level within the circle and the reeds had been uprooted from the mud. There was no scorching of grass or surrounding trees and the observer stated that there was no smell of combustion...”
My research of the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) files uncovered the original police report on the incident. As these are the earliest documented sources extracts of it are included here of details not included in the above statement made in 1973 in response to an enquiry from the “Australian” newspaper.
George Pedley reported his experience to Tully Police at 7.30 pm, on January 19th. At 7 am, January 20th George Pedley and Sgt. A.V. Moylan went to the site of the incident. Sgt. Moylan, then contacted Townsville RAAF Base by telephone, on the morning of January 20th. Flt. Lt. Wallace advised Sgt. Moylan that he would forward a proforma questionaire for completion by George Pedley. On Friday, January 21st, Flt. Lt. Wallace confirmed despatch of two copies of the sighting proforma by mail that same day and also requested Sgt. Moylan obtain “a sample of the grass from the scorched area.” At 3.30 pm, on the same day, Moylan returned to the site and took a sample “of the grass from the depression in the swamp grass at the site. The proforma was filled out by Moylan based on his interviews with George Pedley and was dated 26/1/66. Sgt. Moylan despatched the report and the sample on 26/1/66.
The following details are extracted from the RAAF “REPORT ON AERIAL OBJECT OBSERVED:
Name of Observer: George Alfred PEDLEY aged 28 years.
Occupation of Observer: Banana grower
Date and Time of Observation: 19/1/66 at about 0900 hours
Period of Observation: About 15 seconds
Manner of Observation:
Travelling on a tractor about 1/2 mile from farm house of Albert PENNISI, Rockingham Road, Euramo. Attention attracted by hissing noise, clearly heard over noise of tractor-similar to air escaping from tyre; checked tyres and was looking about for source of noise when he saw object about 25 yards ahead. No optical instruments used in sighting.
Where was object first observed: Object about 25 yards ahead at height of about 30 feet rising vertically.
What first attracted observer’s attention: Loud hissing noise.
Did object appear as a light or a definite object: Definite object, no light visible. One object (only seen)
What was the colour of the object: Light grey; dull-non-reflecting.
What was its apparent shape: Two saucers — face to face.
Was any detail of the structure observable: Object about 25 feet long and 8’ to (9’) deep. No structural detail observed.
Was any method of propulsion obvious: No.
Was there any sound: Loud hissing noise which seemed to diminish as object rose.
Height or angle of elevation: First seen at treetop height 30’. Rose vertically to about twice that height, then departed, climbing at about 45 degrees.
Speed, or angular velocity: Extremely fast; No estimate of speed, but much faster than an aeroplane. It was near treetops and these gave observer a good basis for estimating height.
Direction of flight with reference to landmarks or points of the compass:Rose vertically to about 60 feet and departed south west climbing at about 45 degrees; appeared to be rotating for full time observed. (object appeared to remain on) straight climbing path.
Was any trail of exhaust, vapour or light seen: No
Where did object disappear: Mid air; receded into distance.
Existence of any physical evidence:
Clearly defined near circular depression in swamp grass at point from which object seen rising, about 32’ long and 25’ wide. Grass flattened to surface of 4’ of water lying in xxxx-clockwise curves.
[Sgt. Moylan, in his report, had typed in anti-clockwise initially and then corrected it to clockwise, by overtyping ‘anti’ with ‘xxxx’. The direction of the swirl at the site of the 19 January 1966 incident was to become a matter of ongoing confusion. The correct direction was clockwise - B.C.]
Weather conditions experienced at time of observation:
Clear sky; Hot sunshine.
Location of any air traffic in the vicinity at the time of sighting: Unknown but checked by RAAF Garbut.
[Flt. Lt. Wallace of Townsville RAAF base in a covering minute paper confirmed that “there were no service or Civil aircraft operating in the area... at the time of the sighting...” - B.C.]
Any additional information: (Sgt. Moylan wrote)
Observer reported this matter to Tully Police at 7.30pm on 19/1/66 and at 7am, 20/1/66 went with me to the site of the depression in the swamp. His version then included the information that the object rose vertically, appeared to dip slightly and then went off in straight climbing path. He then said...further that there was no smell of combustion and no scorching of grass or trees visible; that the the flattened grass or rushes was quite green when he first saw the depression; on his return that afternoon the grass had turned brown.
(Sgt. Moylan further added:)
In this matter I formed the opinion that the depressed area in the swamp grass had been caused by a small helicopter and that the observer, in the early morning bright sunlight shining on the rotor may have mistaken the shape. His description of the takeofflent some strength to my opinion. However there was cleared land to the east for about 200 yards where such an aircraft could have more safely landed instead of the position indicated by the observer, close to trees. Later I was informed by Wallace Evans of ...Tully, an electrician that he has seen similar markings in a swamp at Kurrumine Beach and is quite certain that it was caused by a whirlwind, sucking up water into a waterspout, uprooting the grass and laying it out in a similar pattern. At 3.30pm, 21/1/66 I took a sample of the grass at the site and have forwarded it under seperate cover on even date.
Flt. Lt. T.D. Wright, for Air Officer Commanding, Headquarters Operational Command, RAAF, Penrith, New South Wales (NSW), on-forwarded police Sgt. Moylan’s report on George Pedley’s UFO sighting and Flt. Lt. Wallace’s covering minute paper, to the Department of Air, Russell Offices, Canberra. His communication classified RESTRICTED, which was channelled to the Directorate of Air Force Intelligence (DAFI), also indicated, “This headquarters believes that the depressions of the swamp grass were caused by small isolated waterspouts.”
In response to an enquiry, dated 2nd February, 1966, from the Commonwealth Aerial Phenomena Investigation Organisation (CAPIO), the Secretary, Department of Air, Mr. A.B. McFarlane, wrote on 11th February, 1966:
“Investigations of the area surrounding the reported “Nests”, testing of samples taken from around them and interrogation of persons involved in the report failed to reveal anything of significance.
“However, during enquiries a number of local residents stated that the reported “nests” are fairly common during the onset of the “wet”. Furthermore, the University of Queensland stated that there was nothing unnatural in the samples submitted and assessed that the “nests” could have been the result of severe turbulance, which normally accompany line squalls and thunderstorms prevalent in NORTH QUEENSLAND at the time of the year.
“There is no explanation for the visible phenomena reported but it could have been associated with or the result of “down draughts”, “willy willies” or “water spouts” that are known to occur in the area.
“.. for information ....in January of this year from an airfield in the tropics (a number of photographs taken give) a fine example of the type and growth of a cloud formation occuring with a severe “down draught”
This whirling mass of tropical air associated with thunderstorm activity, on reaching the earth’s surface may dissipate and subside or persist giving rise to dust eddies, water spouts, etc, and leaving a telltale circular pattern on the ground.
Should it occur over a swampy reed bed the effect would be to flatten the reeds with a circular pattern. resultant photographs and investigations of the “nests” seem to fit in with this theory and is accepted as a possible cause of the phenomena.”
It is fascinating to note how Secretary McFarlane’s cursory explanatory exposition, no doubt inspired by “the tornado-like metereological phenomena” infested skies over Willow Grove, Victoria and Vaucluse Beach, NSW, anticipated by almost 2 decades Dr. Terence Meaden’s early theoretical attempts to explain the English “crop circles” of the 1980s. Dr. Meaden would mistakingly assume that George Pedley saw his “vortex” at 9 pm, not 9 am, which is a fatal flaw in the mechanism he put forth to explain the report.
The only other significant official statement on the Tully sighting I found in the RAAF files was included in a letter by Mr. G.J. Odgers, Director of Public Relations, Department of Defence (Air Office), dated 17th December, 1973, directed to Charles Wright, a journalist working on a article for the national newspaper, The Australian.
George Odgers’ Air Office public relations department had clearly gleaned from the 1966 DAFI files details of an explanation of what George Pedley seen that the original RAAF officers and Department officers back in 1966 had not determined:
“Although a conclusive determination could not be made, the most probable explanation was that the sighting was of a ‘willy willy’ or circular wind phenomenon which flattened the reeds and sucked up debris to a height of about 30 feet, thus forming what appeared to be a ‘flying saucer’, before moving off and dissipating. Hissing noises are known to be associated with ‘willy willies’ and the theory is also substantiated by the clockwise configuration of the depression.
Mr. Odgers further added, more generally,
“All to often unusual occurrences are reported in sensational terms with little or no attempt made at rational assessment. The general subject is ‘newsworthy’ and lends itself to sensationalism and guesswork, but in most cases logical explanations follow from careful investigation. You will appreciate that there is nothing to be gained from reopening old cases.” [a sentiment I would not agree with - B.C.]
Seers, S., UFOs - The Case for Scientific Myopia, Vantage Press, 1983, Ch.4, The Tully Saucer ‘Nests’.
Chalker, B.,Tully (Australia) ‘Saucer Nests’, 370-371, in Story, R., The Encyclopedia of UFOs, NEL, 1980
Chalker, B., Tully Saucer Nests of 1996, International UFO Reporter, Winter, 1997-98 & Spring, 1998.
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And this one:
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THE 1980 ROSEDALE UFO LANDING
The Gippsland region of Victoria took centre stage during the latter half of 1980 with a puzzling array of events that featured the disappearance of s ubstantial bodies of water. By far the most interesting of these and certainly one of the most interesting physical trace cases to have occurred in Australia was the UFO landing that took place on September 30th , near Rosedale.
Awakened by stock disturbances, the caretaker of a property observed the pa ssage of an extraordinary object — a domed object with a white top, moving at about 8 feet above the ground. Orange and blue lights could be made out on its surface. The UFO was apparently 28 feet in diameter and some 15 feet high. The object hovered for a short time over an open 10,000 gallon water tank. It then landed on the ground, some 50 feet from the tank. The caretaker approached the object on a motorbike to within 30 to 50 feet. A whistling noise had been heard up until the advent of “an awful scream”. A black tube appeared around the base of the UFO. There was a tremendous bang, and the object lifted up and left the landing site. The witness was almost knocked off his bike with a blast of hot air. At about 30 feet out from the landing site and at an altitude of 8 to 10 feet, the object fell silent. At this point debris (largely stones, cape-weed and cow dung) fell away from the base of the object. The UFO was eventually lost to view in the east. The caretaker rode onto the landing site and confirmed a ring of “black” flattened grass, some 3O feet across.
Disorientated, the witness eventually found his way back to his house.
With daylight, the caretaker returned to the landing site and found the ring stood out clearly in the blanket of yellow flowers then in the paddock. The ring was near black or brown in colour, consisting of grass flattened in an anticlockwise manner to a width of 18 inches. Inside the ring was only green grass. The yellow flowers had been removed. The total diameter of the site was 28 feet. Evenly spaced within the ring were 6 “spokes” of relatively undamaged grass. Debris led out from the site, consistent with the material seen falling from the UFO during the night. Other extraordinary effects were reported. 10,000 gallons of water that had been in the water tank had vanished. Muddy residue in the middle of the base of the tank was built up in a cone shape to a height of about 2 feet. If the tank had been emptied by prosaic means it would have shown signs of being emptied from the side of the tank.
The witness experienced an unusual recurring headache for 7 to 8 days. Vomiting and diarrhoea also persisted for the same period of time. For 3 days after the incident, the witness’s watch refused to work when he tried to wear it. Before and after this period it worked without any problems.
Samples taken by the author were subjected to extensive analyses. Of particular interest was that in December, 1980, another series of traces (namely 1O altogether: 3 x 5 yards diameter, 1 x 4 yards, 1 x 3 yards, 4 x 2 feet, and 1 x 10 yards, all being “rings” as in the Rosedale case) were found at Bundalaguah, near Montgomery Park, not far from Rosedale. The traces were again associated with losses of water in a nearby reservoir. As the annulus widths of the Montgomery Park rings were identical to those of Rosedale th ey were seen as a possible area of comparison. The variety of ring diameters reported at Montgomery Park also heightened the likelihood of prosaic causes (e.g. “fairy rings”). Although similarities and differences were found in the analyses, it was not possible to confirm any prosaic explanations. For example Cl levels:
(RD: Rosedale, MP: Montgomery Park)
Centre Annulus Outside Ring
RD 1535 4950 3560
MP 1690 5840 1320
Ratio of Cl ppm
Centre Annulus Outside Ring
RD 0.445 0.244 1.827
MP 0.879 0.654 1.343
Like so many high strangeness physical traces the Rosedale case would have benefited from a thorough, professional study. Our analyses were limited but not through lack of trying. The Rosedale case still stands as a compelling UFO landing event with inconclusive physical trace data, a situation that occurs with virtually all high strangeness traces cases world-wide.
Investigation by Bill Chalker and Keith Basterfield with Gary Little; VUFORS investigation. See Australian UFO Bulletin, Dec 1980; The Australian Annual Saucer Flying Review, Jun 1981, 9-10, 14, 15 ; Basterfield. K., and Chalker, B., Rosedale, Victoria - A Close Encounter, UFORAN, 2:1, Jan-Feb 1981, 17-22; Chalker, W. and Basterfield, K., The Rosedale Landing with Physical Traces, FSR, 26:6, 1981
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THE NARRE WARREN ABDUCTION - PHYSICAL TRACE MILIEU
A woman, Kelly Cahill, contacted me back on October 4th, 1993, seeking assistance in understanding a bizarre experience she had near the outer Melbourne suburban housing estate of Narre Warren North, in the foothills of the Dandenongs, Victoria, between Belgrave and Fountain Gate, during the early hours of August 8th, 1993.
This incident has been now extensively documented. My own account of the complex episode appeared in the “International UFO Reporter”, September/Oct ober, 1994, in “An Extraordinary Encounter in the Dandenong Foothills”. It appears to involve independent confirmation of a CE3 and “missing time” milieu, in that at least two, possibly 3, independent groups of people unknown to each other have witnessed the same UFO encounter, entities and also experienced missing time, and 2 of the groups have been available to investigators and researchers. Perhaps for the first time independent witnesses have been able to provide information that enabled cross checking and correlations to reveal a striking degree of similar information, therefore offering a compelling case for the reality of the strange events described. The ontological status of the events is further strengthened by a range of apparently related physical traces, including ground traces, a low level magnetic anomaly apparently consistent with the locality of the UFO encounter and effects on some of the witnesses.
I referred Kelly Cahill, who proved to be central to the unravelling of an independently witnessed CE3 event with apparent “abduction” dimensions, to John Auchettl and his group Phenomena Research Australia (PRA). They had 2 different laboratories confirm a number of unusual anomalies and magnetic problems at the apparent site of the UFO landing. There appeared to be some interesting changes in soil chemistry — an above average sulphur content, the presence of pyrene (which occurs in coal tar and is also obtained by the destructive hydrogenation of hard coal) and tannic acid - in a crescent shaped indentation. There was a triangle formation of dead grass on the ground, spaced out in the site. The apparent physical effects at the site of this UFO event seem to had a destructive effect on the grass. The physical dimensions of the events in the Dandenongs on August 8th, 1993, may represent compelling evidence for a reality behind abduction events. The case is a striking example of the importance of focusing on the physical evidence for extraordinary UFO events. Such a strategy will provide a compelling pivot point of insightful research into the nature and purpose of UFO activity.
Bill Chalker, “An Extraordinary Encounter in the Dandenong Foothills”, International UFO Reporter”, September/October, 1994.
Investigation by PRA
Kelly Cahill “Encounter” (1996) Bill Chalker “The Oz Files - the Australian UFO story” (1996) pgs. 9-16 Keith Basterfield “UFOs - a report on Australian encounters” (1997) pgs. 12 3-128
A CE2/ABDUCTION MILIEU NEAR PORTLAND, NSW
At about 9.30 pm, March 12th, 1997, on a property outside of Portland, two children (11 & 9) saw a large ball of silver blue light hovering at about a metre above a paddock about 30 metres away from the house. The grass be neath the object was “moving and swirling”. The children saw details on the object including something like a “door” and possible appendages. They told their mother who was on the phone to a friend. She verified the presen ce of the object, but she seemed “mesmerised” and recommenced the phone con versation, with the children still outside. After about half an hour the p hone cut out. She loaded a gun and went outside, walked around the house to ensure there were no intruders, virtually ignoring the UFO which was still present.
She felt inexplicably tired and just walked passed the children, back into the house and lay down and seemingly “blacked out”. Her behaviour seemed entirely out of character. She apparently woke up around midnight, showered and went to bed, “as if she were in a trance”, without checking on the kids. She woke up in the morning feeling terrified, her first thoughts being for her children, realising that she had left them out there with “that thing”. They were both sleeping peacefully in their beds. She went outside and verified at the spot where the object had been hovering “a strange 12ft diameter of swirled grass. It was discoloured, a strange purple colour with brown areas which appeared to be burned or affected by intense heat”.
Over the next few weeks disturbing elements began to be noted. The children could not recollect how they got to bed that night. Both childr en mentioned “the beautiful blue light” and experiencing “a floating sensat ion. The mother had a night, 2 weeks after the event, which featured a “dream”, a loud humming noise and the whole house vibrating.
During the next few months there was unusual activity of “unmarked helicopters” in the area. The children began to recollect further details. One of them had 3 strange red spots on a foot. The girl had an unusual “scar” on the back of the neck that could not be accounted for. She also saw a strange “person” outside her window one night. The mother contacted INUFOR at this point. Bryan Dickeson visited with the family verifying the basic story up to that point and the presence of the affected area, which at that time was about 2 1/2 metres across, with an anticlockwise swirl with no definite edge, still in evidence, and the seeding native grass heads bent over. The grass appeared to have more purple pigment in the trace area.
No soil samples we re taken due to the sandy nature of the soil, but grass from the site was subjected to some basic testing, including UV flouresence, which highlighted the swirled grass to be approximately twice as bright as control grass. Although not remarkably different, it suggested possible anomalies.
B.C. has discussed this case with Bryan Dickeson and Moira McGhee and recommended further testing and sampling, with a view to determining if an energetic event occurred at the site. In his initial investigation at the site, the apparent strange behaviour of the mother and the suggestions of “missing time “, Bryan Dickeson undertook some limited hypnotic inductions with the mother and daughter. The boy could not be regressed. Out of this an apparent abduction milieu has developed, particularly involving the children. The mother has had the children undergo counselling with a psychiatrist. At this stage the children seemed to be coping well with the doctor seemingly satisfied they had some sort of “genuine experience”.
(Moira McGhee, “Portland Encounter”, INUFOR Digest, Vol.3, No.2, November, 1997; Communications from M. McGhee & B. Dickeson to B.C.)
HERE’S A VERY INTERESTING ET CASE . . . Worth checking out, if not reading, for all serious folks interested in the field. The photos and drawings at the link below are also of significant interest . . . the one of the ET a bit startling. I may post a more extensive version of the case after this post:
from:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case498.htm
UFO CASE REPORT
The Varginha Incident (Brazil)
Date
January 20, 1996 Location
Varginha, Brazil
Summary: In 1996 in Varginha, Brazil, during the course of several weeks at least two and perhaps as many as six alien creatures were captured or killed and turned over to American authorities, and a UFO may have crashed. Eyewitnesses described the creatures as humanoid and 3 to 4 feet tall. They had dark brown, hairless skin, big triangular heads with three short “horns” on top, and huge red eyes that were vertically oval.
Artistic rendition of the alien being witnessed by three girls in Varginha, Brazil. Artist: Thomas Feiner.
Liliane Fatima Silva, her sister Valquiria and Katia Andrade Xavier - the girls point to the spot where they saw the “terrifying creature”.
Type of Case/Report: MajorCase
Hynek Classification:
Number of Witnesses: Multiple
Special Features/Characteristics: Humanoid/Occupant, Crash/Retrieval, Injury, Children, Witness Photo
More Articles on this Case
The Varginha Case
Jorgen Westman, Nar Kontakt (Sweden), Vol. 7 No. 3, 1996
“My intention with this article is to try to make a thorougly presentation of the case with all vital information available from researchers in USA and Brazil to this date.” In-depth article on the Varginha case, with pictures and illustrations.
The Varginha Affair
UFOs at Close Sight (Ufologie.net)
Read all about the unbelievable story of a UFO crash in the city of Varginha, in Brazil, April 1997, the capture of aliens by the military, the participation of the U.S. Government and more. Here his a collection of documents and testimonies about this case.
The Varginha Extraterrestrial Case
Luiza Villamea, IstoÉ Magazine (Brazil), May 1996
“Varginha, a small town in the state of Minas Gerais, Brazil, has become famous overnight because of something other than its excellent coffee.” Overview of the events and investigation. R
Varginha Case - Ufologists’ Diary, Part 1
Ubirajara Franco Rodrigues, Revista UFO (Brazil), Special Issue #13, July 1996
Translated and shortened version of the original article appearing in Revista UFO, the Brazilian UFO magazine. This part is by one of the two main investigators of the Varginha incident, Ubirajara Franco Rodrigues. R
Varginha Case - Ufologists’ Diary, Part 2
Vitório Pacaccini, Revista UFO (Brazil), Special Issue #13, July 1996
Translated and shortened version of the original article appearing in Revista UFO, the Brazilian UFO magazine. This part is by one of the two main investigators of the Varginha incident, Vitório Pacaccini. R
Varginha ‘E.T. Capture’ Case Still Strong
Bob Pratt (reprinted on Parascope website)
Bob Pratt, who has traveled extensively in Brazil and has interviewed most of the witnesses and researchers involved in the Varginha investigation, presents this update on the latest news in the case. R
Revelations about the Varginha Case
Vitorio Pacaccini, Revista UFO (Brazil), nr. 44/June/1996
The Varginha Case is, without any doubt, the most important case in brazilian ufology and, possibly, worlwide. It started with the testifying of three girls that had a sighting, but already has reached proportions beyond this. R
Varginha Press Release
A.J. Gevaerd, Editor of UFO Magazine (Brazil), June 12th, 1996
On January 20, Military forces captured two extraterrestrial creatures still alive in Brazil. the capture occurred in neighboring areas of city of Varginha, State of Minas Gerais, Central Brazil. R
The Varginha Extraterrestrials
Bob Pratt and Cynthia Luce
In-depth report on the Varginha incident by researcher Bob Pratt. “On the night of January 13, 1996, NORAD reportedly notified Brazilian authorities that it had tracked a number of UFOs over the western hemisphere that night and one or more had come down near the city of Varginha in the state of Minas Gerais. It was the beginning of one of the most intriguing events in UFO history, the ‘Varginha ET Case.’”
Print / Other References
Leir, Roger. ‘UFO Crash in Brazil.’ (Book Tree, 2005)
Full Report / Article
Source: Press release by A.J. Gevaerd, Editor of UFO Magazine (Brazil), June 12th, 1996
On January 20, Military forces captured two extraterrestrial creatures still alive in Brazil. The capture occurred in neighboring areas of city of Varginha, State of Minas Gerais, Central Brazil. The fact is to be considered one of the most significant ever registered in this country and in the entire world. Military authorities are keeping secret all details of the operation, but some information has already leaked to the UFO community due to the investigative job of Dr., Ubiraja Franco Rodrigues and Vitorio Paccaccini who lives nearby and recognized as serious and dedicated researchers.
On the afternoon of January 20, about 3.30 PM local time, 3 young girls named Liliane, Valquiria and Katia observed a strange creature in a field of small bushes a few blocks from where they live. It was Saturday and they were coming back from their jobs when, crossing an empty area their attention was attracted by a strange being a few meters away. The ET was kneeling and looked like it was hurt, suffering some sort of pain. No UFO was ever seen. The girls observed it for a few minutes and run away, afraid that they had just encountered the devil....
The three girls were extensively interrogated by above mentioned researchers, leaving no doubt whatsoever about what happened. Very simple kids, they described the ET’s as being a dark brown creature, with a small body of 4 - 5 feet in height, no hair at all, big brown head, small neck. It also seemed to have some greasy, dark oil on its skin. A strange odor was noticed by the mother of the girls, when she went to the site. The head of the creature had 2 big red eyes, no pupils, very small mouth and nose and - what is interesting - 3 protuberances in the head. The girls described such protuberances as horns.
Following the leads, researcher Rodrigues and Pacaccini started making inquiries everywhere in the town of Varginha, in order to know if anybody else had seen the same creature. They found several other people who also observed the ET’s in the same location and maybe other ET’s in different locations. While conducting their own investigations, both discovered that different witnesses has seen army trucks and other military vehicle and personnel that very morning of that day, a few blocks from the place the girls saw the ET’s.
In trying to find out what the military were doing, Rodrigues and Pacaccini came to meet a few soldiers and sergeants. One of them decided to talk secretly about their mission, in a confidential taped interview. This Sergeant confirmed that, about 9:00 AM, January 20. the Fire Department of Varginha was required to capture a strange animal in the area. When four fireman arrived in a truck in the place, they noticed that it was not any strange animal at all, and reported the fact to the Army Sergeant School Commander in neighboring city of Tres Coracoes (about 10 miles east of Varginha)
Army truck was sent to the place and both forces captured the creature using nets and equipment regularly used to capture wild animals. The ET was placed till alive in a box that was then covered by resistant fabric. The box was placed on top of the truck, the vehicle headed to the Army Sergeant School and all personnel involved was ordered not to talk about it with anyone else “It was a Secret Operation” told them the lieutenant-colonel Wanderley, who commanded the operation. After such unusual, confidential report a few other military decided to come forward and speak about the captures as long as their identities were totally kept secret. They all confirmed, on taped interviews, that a second creature (possibly the same one seen by the girls that afternoon) was captured on the night of January 20, by personnel from the Army and the Fire Department. Details of such operation is fully known. This creature identical to the first one, was taken to the Regional General Hospital of Varginha that same night, stayed there for a few hours and then was transferred to a better equipped facility, the Humanitas Hospital.
A few nurses and personnel from Regional General Hospital had confirmed some facts and they were all suppressed. Individuals who had contacts with the second creature were advised to avoid press and UFO Researchers and not to talk about it with anyone, not ever their families or relations. AT the Humanities Hospital the second creature was kept at least for 2 days and on the second night on January 22nd a huge military operation took place to remove the creature already dead.
Interviews with some of the military who participated in this new operation, removing the creature from the Humanitas Hospital, declared that 3 Army trucks were used, each one driven by 2 different soldiers. It is believed that 3 trucks were used to remove only one body in order to avoid the soldiers to know in which truck would it be transported. The drivers and their follows couldn’t see the details of the operations, as they were kept outside the hospital area. Military personnel from the Army Internal Intelligence (called “S-2” in Brazil and extremely violent and repressive) were responsible for getting the corpse from the interior of the hospital, placing it in a box and then in one of the trucks.
All 3 trucks then were taken to a military facility in Campinas, State of Sao Paulo, about 200 miles from Varginha, in the middle of the night. There, the corpse was removed to the University of Campinas , one of the best institutions in the country. It is believed - and we already have detailed information to be soon released that the ET body was autopsied by Dr. Badan Palhares, worldwide acclaimed as one of the best professionals in that area alive (he was the one who autopsied German Nazi Mengele, about ten years ago) Palhares, as well as any other authority involved, denied he was involved in any such operations.
UFO researchers from all over the country have been helping closely Rodrigues and Pacaccini, in order to discover each and every detail of the capture of the two ET’s, Media in Brazil has never been so active and great majority of population believes that the case is real and that the military and civil authorities involved are keeping the facts secret. Many strange facts are happening simultaneously, such as prison of soldiers, Sergeants being transferred at short notice etc. The phones of many UFO researchers involved in the case are confirmed to be tapped and a few threats have been made anonymously.
Up to now, almost all details of the whole operation are known to the UFO researchers and a few can already been released. In a matter of weeks, all information will be fully disclosed by the UFO researchers involved, throughout the UFO Magazine, to the entire world.
Everyday new pieces of this fantastic puzzle are being received by researchers in many cities and more and more military personnel have agreed to talk. Meanwhile, the region where Varginha is located, in the South of State of Minas Gerais, is subject to one of the biggest UFO waves ever registered, the huge UFO’s in close range observations, landings and contact
A.J. GEVAERD,
EDITOR AND DIRECTOR BRAZILIAN UFO MAGAZINE
& BRAZILIAN CENTER for FLYING SAUCER RESEARCH.
Case ID: 498
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