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How Kosovo Created its Own Liberal Islam
Standpoint ^ | July 2008 | MICHAEL J. TOTTEN

Posted on 06/29/2008 5:50:12 AM PDT by forkinsocket

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1 posted on 06/29/2008 5:50:12 AM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket
"The KLA was always thoroughly secular and in no way resembled a Balkan Hamas or Hezbollah."

Please allow me to translate this double-speak into understandable English: The KLA, being nothing more than a gang of international drug traffickers and common criminals, more resemble the Taliban of Afghanistan than they do the fundamentalist jihadist Balkan Hamas or Hezbollah.

2 posted on 06/29/2008 6:02:51 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: forkinsocket

Amazing that anybody would see the action of running and terrorizing every other ethnic group out of the province as “liberal” or anything like that. The Albanian Kosovars are basically savages; barbarism would be a step upwards for them.


3 posted on 06/29/2008 6:15:20 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: forkinsocket

the part i think is interesting is how the albanians were

communist chinese affiliated during tito’s yugoslavia.

now, they emerge as islamic jihadists!


4 posted on 06/29/2008 6:32:57 AM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: wendy1946

Don’t you mean the Serbs?
Point is more than enough guilt to go around for alll parties.


5 posted on 06/29/2008 6:40:57 AM PDT by Valin
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To: Bokababe

Bump


6 posted on 06/29/2008 6:43:52 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: forkinsocket
It’s an assertion without evidence. “We’ve been here for so long,” said United States Army Sergeant Zachary Gore in Eastern Kosovo, “and not seen any evidence of it, that we’ve reached the assumption that it is not a viable threat.”

Yeah right....just play the youtube in my name

7 posted on 06/29/2008 7:17:07 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda ( MUST SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc)
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To: forkinsocket

So this means they haven’t been razing hundreds of churches for years now? Or ethnically cleansing Christians when they are in the minority in an area?


8 posted on 06/29/2008 8:00:52 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Valin

No, I emphatically do not mean the Serbs. From everything I’ve ever managed to get hold of which appeared believable, the Serbs are the closest thing there is to normal, decent, middle-class people in the Balkans. I’m convinced everything we’ve been fed by NATO and Clinton propaganda organs about the Balkans over the last 15 years or thereabouts is total unadulterated BS. Christians simply and basically do not do the kinds of things Serbs have been accused of. Slammites on the other hand not only do those kinds of things, but excel at falsely accusing others of doing them.


9 posted on 06/29/2008 11:02:04 AM PDT by wendy1946
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"How Kosovo Created its Own Liberal Islam

Tell that to four of the Kosovo Albanian members of Ft. Dix Six, one of whom was a KLA sniper during the war.

Or how about the now-renamed bin Laden mosque in Kosovo?

Totten is apparently fairly well respected on Iraq, but he's a complete moron on the Balkans. He thinks that just because he sees Albanian women without covered heads, he is seeing "moderate Islam". Yeah, right -- someone should take him on a tour of the 150+ Christian churches that were destroyed by these "moderate Muslims" -- or introduce him to YouTube where he can see it as it happened!

10 posted on 06/29/2008 11:33:30 AM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: wendy1946

You really don’t know much about the Balkans then.


11 posted on 06/29/2008 2:02:06 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Bokababe

The Churches were demolished because they were Serbian churches and those acts were of a national, not a confessional nature. In the meantime, the Albanians in Kosovo are raising a Roman Catholic Church.


12 posted on 06/29/2008 2:03:17 PM PDT by Diocletian
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You really don’t know much about the Balkans then.

Jared Israel's site is as good a place as any to educate yourself about the Balkans.

One story I find particularly interesting is the tale of the "Krayina-Serb Death Camp(TM)" at Trnopolje...

The question anybody has to ask himself is, after that one, what part of the BS are we supposed to go on believing??

13 posted on 06/29/2008 2:24:05 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

The Yugoslav Wars of Dissolution
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/yugoslavia.htm

Lecture 25: The Yugoslav Civil War*
http://www.lib.msu.edu/sowards/balkan/lect25.htm

Google Yugoslav Wars
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22yugoslav+wars%22&start=0&sa=N


14 posted on 06/29/2008 4:55:24 PM PDT by Valin
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To: wendy1946

“Christians simply and basically do not do the kinds of things Serbs have been accused of.”

Don’t read much history do you.


15 posted on 06/29/2008 4:56:23 PM PDT by Valin
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To: Valin

I read a LOT of history; apparently considerably more than several of the people posting on this thread.


16 posted on 06/29/2008 5:23:18 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946; Valin; Hoplite; Tailgunner Joe

Considering that I’m from the Balkans I’ll pass on Jared Israel and his Marxist interpretation of Balkan history. Why a member of Free Republic would use a Marxist source like Jared Israel is beyond me.


17 posted on 06/29/2008 5:58:55 PM PDT by Diocletian
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The story of the Balkans comes back the same way pretty much from all sides. People from the surrounding countries were going insane on usenet during the runup to Kosovo, basically asking what the **** did we (Americans) think we were doing, that, basically, there were something like 26 ethnic groups in the Yugo confederation and only two or three, Bosnians, Croats, and albunnies who ever had any sort of a problem dealing with Serbs and those were the three who sided with Hitler during WW-II.

The recent problems in Kosovo started when Milosevic rescinded the autonomy of the region in 89. Basically, he HAD to; every other ethnic group in the province was being brutalized by the Albanians.

The stories on that page are from the NY Times before there was any sort of a NATO or KKKlinton axe to grind on the topic. The stories describe AK behavior:

...Ethnic Albanians in the Government have manipulated public funds and regulations to take over land belonging to Serbs. And politicians have exchanged vicious insults.

Slavic Orthodox churches have been attacked, and flags have been torn down. Wells have been poisoned and crops burned. Slavic boys have been knifed, and some young ethnic Albanians have been told by their elders to rape Serbian girls....

...The federal Secretary for National Defense, Fleet Adm. Branko Mamula, told the army's party organization in September of efforts by ethnic Albanians to subvert the armed forces. ''Between 1981 and 1987 a total of 216 illegal organizations with 1,435 members of Albanian nationality were discovered in the Yugoslav People's Army,'' he said. Admiral Mamula said ethnic Albanian subversives had been preparing for ''killing officers and soldiers, poisoning food and water, sabotage, breaking into weapons arsenals and stealing arms and ammunition, desertion and causing flagrant nationalist incidents in army units....

I mean, the behavior of these people hasn't changed, they were a gigantic problem in Yugoslavia and Kosovo is a gigantic problem now, basically the crime capital of Europe responsible for or involved in more than half of all of numerous major categories of crime including narcotics trafficking, trafficking in women, trafficking in stolen vehicles, and pretty much any sort of thing you could name.

18 posted on 06/29/2008 7:02:07 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Diocletian
"In the meantime, the Albanians in Kosovo are raising a Roman Catholic Church."

And they are milking it for all the publicity they can get, to whitewash the bin Laden Mosque debacle.

19 posted on 06/29/2008 7:38:55 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: wendy1946
Julia Gorin also did a nice job on Totten's nonsense.
20 posted on 06/29/2008 11:37:25 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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