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To: discostu
“No modern tragedies are tragedies, they’re just the new way of handling it. Existentialist writing is different. Modern tragedies have just as strong a standardized structure as classical tragedies, it’s just different. You’re just going to have to accept that there is a concept of drama called modern tragedy that has a different structure than classical tragedy and is most definitely NOT existentialism, of course even if you don’t admit it it still exists.”

You stated that in modern tragedy... the death has no meaning. That is the definition of existentialism. In existentialist writings, people live and die for no reason. Some so-called “modern tragedy” is either a pure (or a bastardized form of existentialism. The rest should not be considered a “tragedy” either modern or classic because the death has meaning and it is not due to a fatal character flaw. Generally, the so-called tragic death is not the main character, but an important supporting character who spurs the main characters growth.

“It depends on how and when Harry died. If his apparent death in the books had been his real death then it would have turned the series into a modern tragedy, a pointless death where none of his growth mattered in the end. Had he died in the final conflict and succeeded at taking down Voldy in the process it wouldn’t have been a tragedy, I don’t know if it would have been existentialism but it would have left the tragedy realm because his death and life would have mattered, he would have learned and grown and accomplished.”

They way he died did matter, did show his growth, and was necessary to defeat Voldemort. In fact, Rowling could have written Voldemort and Harry in the Forest Again as the final conflict very easily. Voldemort could have been killed himself right after he killed Harry. The so-called final battle seemed to be slapped on at the end... Frankly, the fact that Harry wasn’t the last horcrux to be destroyed didn’t make much dramatic scene.

“As for the “commercialism”, guess what, people write for money. The idea that something is inherently bad because it bows to commercial pressures is the most pathetic kind of literati elitism.”

I’m all for popular art... Lots of popular artistic movements have started with the “plebs,” not the Upper East Side crowd. However, that being said I believe that an artist should remain true to their idea and not be swayed because his/ her editor, agent, etc. tells her to do X... The Epilogue struck me as that sort of pandering in its most naked form.

1,295 posted on 07/25/2007 9:57:59 PM PDT by Accygirl
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To: Accygirl

Doesn’t matter how much you quibble and complain about the designation, modern tragedies are tragedies. Any existential roots they might have are really just a demonstration of the problem of boxing stories not the bastardization of the form. And in modern tragedies the death is ALWAYS the main character, main enough that they’re often even the title character. The structure exists, you just need to accept that it’s real and legitimate, you might not like it but that’s not the structure’s problem.

But his pseudo-death didn’t actually beat Voldemort, only part of him. Voldy would still be plenty of a threat even with no horcruxes, so without actually accomplishing the defeat the death lacks meaning. It might not be completely meaningless but it’s still hollow.

She said she wrote the end years and years ago. Maybe the way she wanted to end it all along was just exactly how editors would request. At this particular juncture I don’t think editors and publishers have much power over JKR. She’s the goose that can choose to stop laying golden eggs whenever she wants, they need to keep her happy not the other way around.


1,346 posted on 07/26/2007 7:56:31 AM PDT by discostu (indecision may or may not be my biggest problem)
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