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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Reaction Thread - SPOILERS!!!!
me | 7/21/2007 | me

Posted on 07/21/2007 5:18:11 PM PDT by JenB

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To: JenB

I think it’s first, because he was “exotic,” just as she was, and second, because he was needy. (And of course, he was kind, too.) She thought she could make him happy, but it’s clear in DH that he wasn’t going to let her do it.


921 posted on 07/24/2007 7:57:39 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Go ahead and water the lawn - my give-a-damn's busted.")
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To: JenB
I never got any sense of how Lupin and Tonks worked anyway.

That seems pretty obvious, really ... aside from his furry little problem, Lupin is thoughtful, understanding, wise, and generally a good guy. He keeps plugging along in very adverse circumstances. He's also got a bit of danger about him, both in what he does for the Order, and of course that he's a werewolf as well. He seems like the sort of guy that a lot of women are attracted to -- or say they are.

Lupin's attraction to Tonks ... well, guys are a lot more simple in that regard. She's attractive, smart, funny, able, and devoted to him.

922 posted on 07/24/2007 7:59:57 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Corin Stormhands
Heh...can't you just imagine all the young wizards practicing engorgio?

Feh -- why mess with a wand when you don't need to? He can customize it on the fly!

923 posted on 07/24/2007 8:00:55 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Accygirl

No modern tragedies are tragedies, they’re just the new way of handling it. Existentialist writing is different. Modern tragedies have just as strong a standardized structure as classical tragedies, it’s just different. You’re just going to have to accept that there is a concept of drama called modern tragedy that has a different structure than classical tragedy and is most definitely NOT existentialism, of course even if you don’t admit it it still exists.

It depends on how and when Harry died. If his apparent death in the books had been his real death then it would have turned the series into a modern tragedy, a pointless death where none of his growth mattered in the end. Had he died in the final conflict and succeeded at taking down Voldy in the process it wouldn’t have been a tragedy, I don’t know if it would have been existentialism but it would have left the tragedy realm because his death and life would have mattered, he would have learned and grown and accomplished.

As for the “commercialism”, guess what, people write for money. The idea that something is inherently bad because it bows to commercial pressures is the most pathetic kind of literati elitism.


924 posted on 07/24/2007 8:04:35 AM PDT by discostu (indecision may or may not be my biggest problem)
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To: JenB

Very nice, profound comment.

I was emotionally ready for one of the Weasley twins to die, laughing and gallant, for the cause. I was NOT ready for brave little Dobby to die, and I wept buckets at that.

One of the greatest wishes I had was that once Bellatrix was dead, Neville’s parents would be released from the effects of Cruciatus curse, the way Harry was released from the paralyzing charm once DD died. Then Neville’s family, at least, would be whole again.

Nicest moments were the break-through strength of Neville, Mrs. Weasley, Snape, Aberforth, and Ron overcoming his fears of inadequacy. The weakest moments were the lost diadem section, and the destruction of the cup: they just felt rushed to me.

I have mixed feelings about the epilogue. On the one hand, it was too pat and too predictable with all the happy family growth. On the other, I was glad to see it wrapped up that life returned to “normal” because of the courage of the people who died.


925 posted on 07/24/2007 8:04:38 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Some mornings I wake up grumpy, other days I just let him sleep.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Heh...can't you just imagine all the young wizards practicing engorgio?

I'm sure someone somewhere warned them that they'd go blind...

926 posted on 07/24/2007 8:05:36 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (I practice Calorie Offset Trading. I eat a candy bar & pay my kid 10 bucks to run around the block)
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To: Mygirlsmom; Corin Stormhands
I'm sure someone somewhere warned them that they'd go blind...

Yeah, but knowing how boys are, wizard blindness would be caused by getting poked in the eye by their experiment....

927 posted on 07/24/2007 8:12:31 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Then you'd have a scene with dad, similar to when they flew the Anglia without permission,:

Dad: "Ahem...so how'd it go???"

Mom: "ARTHUR!"

Dad: "Harrumph! I mean, that's very bad of you!

928 posted on 07/24/2007 8:16:23 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (I practice Calorie Offset Trading. I eat a candy bar & pay my kid 10 bucks to run around the block)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Heh...can't you just imagine all the young wizards practicing engorgio?

Harry Potter discovers the TRUE reason that no magic can be performed outside of school under the age of 17.

929 posted on 07/24/2007 8:21:13 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (I practice Calorie Offset Trading. I eat a candy bar & pay my kid 10 bucks to run around the block)
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To: Mygirlsmom

Ok, guys, really! Look at my post 901. I want to know what you think!


930 posted on 07/24/2007 8:22:57 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (I practice Calorie Offset Trading. I eat a candy bar & pay my kid 10 bucks to run around the block)
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To: EmilyGeiger

I took that as Dumbledore wanting to see his family alive and well, the same way Harry did.


931 posted on 07/24/2007 8:31:27 AM PDT by Politicalmom (A sovereign nation loses that status if it cannot secure its own borders.-Fred Thompson)
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To: Neoliberalnot

You compare a book that we are discussing with porn and homosexual propaganda, but it wasn’t meant as an insult.

Sure.


932 posted on 07/24/2007 8:36:46 AM PDT by Politicalmom (A sovereign nation loses that status if it cannot secure its own borders.-Fred Thompson)
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To: Mygirlsmom
If Dumbledore possessed the Elder wand, presumably since 1945 (his defeat of Grindelwald as stated in the Chocolate Frog card), why do you all think he didn't use it to defeat Voldemort the first time - before he killed the Potters?

Interesting question. Probably because Dumbledore was hunting for the horcruxes, and those had to be destroyed before he took on Voldemort directly.

And so, in their duel in OOTP, we see Dumbledore seeking to capture, not kill, Voldemort. But he still wins, in that Voldemort fails to defeat him in the duel.

(The movie version really does justice to that particular part -- it really gives a sense of two awesome wizarding powers taking each other on.)

933 posted on 07/24/2007 8:44:28 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Tax-chick

I think Harry snapped him out of that, because he went back and lived with Tonks until the end, and sent Harry the message that his judgment was spot on.


934 posted on 07/24/2007 8:45:08 AM PDT by Politicalmom (A sovereign nation loses that status if it cannot secure its own borders.-Fred Thompson)
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To: r9etb
Interesting question. Probably because Dumbledore was hunting for the horcruxes, and those had to be destroyed before he took on Voldemort directly.

Maybe, but it seemed that the knowledge of the Horcruxes was late in coming to Dumbledore - he only suspected in the later years and then sought to interview those who could confirm his suspicions.

935 posted on 07/24/2007 8:47:57 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (I practice Calorie Offset Trading. I eat a candy bar & pay my kid 10 bucks to run around the block)
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To: Neoliberalnot
As a parent, I must say, I hope your children are well into their teenage years, or that your spouse has read the books and is able to discuss them with your children. This is not a series of books that younger readers, under the age of twelve, should read without some parental guidance.

Just a bit of background: I am a huge fan of classic literature, works that stand the test of time, from Beowulf to the Canterbury Tales, through Shakespeare and Dickens, right up to modern classics like the works of Tolkien and Lewis. I have found the HP series to be every bit as engaging, even if it is not in the uppermost stratasphere of literary works. A lot of readers pass on the series because of the first book or because of the quality of the movies, and that is a shame. They are missing out on a wonderful surprise.

936 posted on 07/24/2007 8:49:41 AM PDT by grellis (Femininists for Fred!)
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To: Accygirl
Harry’s journey represented the classic “hero’s tale” (ala Joseph Campbell).

I was wondering if anyone would say that. I agree.

937 posted on 07/24/2007 8:51:32 AM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: Politicalmom
Go ahead and call me names,

The only one I can think of is Snookums.

Sorry.

938 posted on 07/24/2007 8:54:21 AM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: Mygirlsmom
but it seemed that the knowledge of the Horcruxes was late in coming to Dumbledore - he only suspected in the later years and then sought to interview those who could confirm his suspicions.

Yes, but HBP leaves the impression that Dumbledore suspected at least one horcrux even before Harry was born. Thus, he'd know he needed to destroy the horcrux(es) before he took Voldemort down.

939 posted on 07/24/2007 8:55:55 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
But just having good tools doesn't really mean much if the person using them is an idiot.

Oh my gosh, do you know me?!?

940 posted on 07/24/2007 8:56:36 AM PDT by grellis (Femininists for Fred!)
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