Posted on 07/21/2007 5:18:11 PM PDT by JenB
So you finally know what happens to Harry. All our questions are answered. Or not. What are your reactions? Whose death hurt the most? Do you want more, and about whom?
SPOILERS are ok on this thread! You have been warned!
Wow. It's over.
Whether or not Draco actually physically posessed the Elder Wand is beside the point. It is what Harry was telling Voldy that caused me to question who threw which spell in the final moments of the fight.
The point was about having to win a duel to win the Elder Wand. Malfoy and Dumbledore didn't fight a duel; and neither did Malfoy and Harry. It was enough, in Harry's case anyway, simply to grab the other wizard's wand to become its master.
I think that the Elder Wand was not "won" simply by who happened to take it; and therefore, I don't think that the wand would have done anything special for Draco Malfoy.
There's a loose end there, by the way. I didn't check in HBP for the specifics, but I don't see how Dumbledore's wand actually ended up in his tomb. If Malfoy lost the wand, and Voldemort ended up with it, then I think Voldemort would still be its "master" if mere ownership was enough.
But Voldemort wasn't its master, because the wand didn't choose him. It chose Harry, though. And I think that choosing was done on the basis of the "Third Brother," who did not try to cheat death. Voldemort tried to cheat death. Malfoy, a coward, did as well. But Harry didn't cheat death, and so became its "master."
In a Scriptural sense, it brings to mind Matthew 25:29, For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
I feel certain that AK was said by Voldemort. He always went for the forbidden curses (and meant them). The only curse I remember Harry using was “Crucio” and exclaiming that its true they only work if you really mean it. (Can’t remember which fight it was though.)
Remember, Harry kept using “E” and kept getting told to stop using it because everybody else was trying to kill him. Harry really never wanted to kill anybody, even Voldemort in the end.... remember the “icky baby thing”? I think he was starting to feel sorry for Voldemort because he knew (finally) that he had all the power and protection thanks to love. Voldemort didn’t have a chance and Harry knew it.
I would much rather think that Harry didn't have to resort to a killing curse (yes, I know he "Cruciated" and "Imperiussed") but, as stated above, defeated evil without resorting to evil.
LOL! :)
Yeah -- but does that make one master of the Elder Wand? that's a different matter, I think.
Was that one of the Mummy movies?
Harry did Expelliarmus and then caught the wand like a true Seeker.
Your post reminds me... I have to clean up the dog-doo in the yard this afternoon.
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My favorite part of the whole book was when Ron slugged Malfoy from underneath the invisibility cloak.
Guess I’m gonna have to go back and re-read the final fight again. Thanks for the answers.
Yep. That's the way I read it.
LOL! There were a ton of memorable moments. I’m listening to the audio book and Ron just said, “It’s like being a house elf, but without the job satisfaction.” :-)
Dobby’s death really hit me very hard. I was bawling like a baby...Snape..looking at Harry as he died...
Your point about Narcissa..this left me wondering..if Voldy was such a superb occulens (forgive the spelling) how did she get away with lying straight to his face? I’m glad she did, even though the Malfoys were the most horrible of people, Narcissa protected her son...
Nevile killing Nagini! I love that guy!
I an going to reread the last 5 chapters this evening, slowly as I can. I so throughly enjoyed this book and I hope that my son will enjoy it when he can read (he’ only 3)
All the best,
Suz
Interesting take.
I think that each went for their “signature” move in the final fight. That’s the way it goes for gunslingers, why should wand wavers be any different?
I was sorry Dobby died.
I think it's clear from the book that we have to look at the story as, in part, a Christian allegory. And thus we must see Snape in a different light.
Snape had been twisted by evil his whole life -- he was very much a child, an infant even, in the selfish way he interacted with other people.
He had only this one pure thing, his love for Lily, which he treasured to the very end. He knew love; he knew remorse; he had "good" in him, even if he fell far short of actually being good.
But that describes all of us ... and Christ died for us while we were yet bad.
Harry understood that, which is why his kid's middle name was "Severus."
Hey! No quoting scripture on a Potter thread unless it’s accompanied by the obligatory assurances of us all being cast into the firey pit!
What got me was the headstone, “Here lies Dobby, a Free Elf.” That’s when I lost it. One of those, “Oh geez, I hope my husband doesn’t see my blubbering” losing its.
Oh, well. Their mother couldn't tell them apart, either.
I wonder if Percy will go partners in the joke shop with George.
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