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To: taxesareforever; Dimensio
Is that all you can do is ask questions? You offer nothing of substance and just keep asking, "please provide", "where did you get your info", etc. When answers are provided all you do is discredit everything that is said using your faulty sources.

Perhaps the answers to his questions are illogical or unsubstantiated. Creationists tend to rely on creationist websites, which are not the best places to find scientific data and arguments. You tend to find apologetics and pretzel science.

Perhaps his "faulty sources" are legitimate, and your are faulty.

864 posted on 09/25/2006 9:48:43 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman
Perhaps the answers to his questions are illogical or unsubstantiated. Creationists tend to rely on creationist websites, which are not the best places to find scientific data and arguments. You tend to find apologetics and pretzel science.

Actually, nmh has not provided any references at all to support her claims. Taxesareforever's assertions are clearly unfounded and false in that respect.
865 posted on 09/25/2006 10:15:20 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Coyoteman
Perhaps the answers to his questions are illogical or unsubstantiated.

And perhaps they are logical and substantiated which puts the evos in a corner. You would like creos to argue utilizing evo websites. That's like asking Republicans to debate the war on terror using Democrat talking points. You can set the trap but you will not find many creos falling into it. We are kind of a smart bunch. You see, we are not puppets being manipulated by the evo so-called scientists. By the way, I see Di is responding to you in regards to my responses to him. Fear must be setting in.

867 posted on 09/25/2006 10:31:34 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Coyoteman
Perhaps the answers to his questions are illogical or unsubstantiated. Creationists tend to rely on creationist websites, which are not the best places to find scientific data and arguments. You tend to find apologetics and pretzel science.

If done correctly, teaching ID within science classes would be quite instructive.

IF the examples were carefully chosen, one could use specific features of "intelligent design" as case studies in order to compare and contrast the following:

1) the thought processes and methodology used to come up with different explanations
2) comparing either the predictive value OR the "what questions does this lead TO" value of the different approaches
3) compare and contrast the rules of evidence vs. argument from authority, etc.

If done poorly in one direction, a bunch of students quoting Ann Coulter might get the under-educated science teacher (for the moment) backed into a corner, and defeat the purpose of explaining / demonstrating / allowing "hands on practice" of the power and elegance of empiricism.

If done poorly in the other direction the agnostic / atheist / skeptic trolls would take over, and imbue the impressionable students with a lot of hooey.

As I have stated on other threads, just because something is "unscientific" does not PROVE it false. Empirical practices are great at sifting through things so that you have a high bar to pass before accepting them, and incorporating them into a consistent framework. It therefore reduces "false positives" and has a great error-correcting mechanism--against false positives.

The way in which its error correction is NOT so fantastic, is the mistaken belief that if something is not yet scientifically proven, it "must" be untrue, rather than unverified by a certain methodology. So the risk is there of ignoring something true. The scientists who think about it accept this as part of an acceptable trade-off for minimizing errors. (And they get away with it because the material world DOES operate--at the macroscopic level--according to fixed laws, and is not personal or sentinent. The supernatural, according to many accounts, has claimed all along to be a differnt kind of beast, even before the "god of the gaps" mindset kicked in.)

Cheers!

876 posted on 09/25/2006 11:13:15 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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