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Free Republic Poll on Evolution
Free Republic ^ | 22 September 2006 | Vanity

Posted on 09/22/2006 2:09:33 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Free Republic is currently running a poll on this subject:

Do you think creationism or intelligent design should be taught in science classes in secondary public schools as a competing scientific theory to evolution?
You can find the poll at the bottom of your "self search" page, also titled "My Comments," where you go to look for posts you've received.

I don't know what effect -- if any -- the poll will have on the future of this website's science threads. But it's certainly worth while to know the general attitude of the people who frequent this website.

Science isn't a democracy, and the value of scientific theories isn't something that's voted upon. The outcome of this poll won't have any scientific importance. But the poll is important because this is a political website. How we decide to educate our children is a very important issue. It's also important whether the political parties decide to take a position on this. (I don't think they should, but it may be happening anyway.)

If you have an opinion on this subject, go ahead and vote.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: crevolist; evolution; id
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To: Finny
I believe in God and I accept evolutionary theory. The two are NOT exclusionary. Refusal to see that they are is based solely on human pride.

Your syntax here is contradictory, to wit:
"Refusal to see that they are (exclusionary[understood]) is based solely on human pride.

Anyway, your statement is no more or less indicative of hubris than the position you're criticizing.

121 posted on 09/22/2006 10:23:18 PM PDT by csense
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To: csense
It all, very well, could be a false premise.

In other words, it's only as good as the next piece of evidence, or the next, possibly more compelling, theory. Darwinism is the only scientific theory that seems to be immune to questioning and critical inquiry.

122 posted on 09/22/2006 10:24:49 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
""Conduction" should be "Conducting.""

Of course it should.

123 posted on 09/22/2006 10:26:15 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Coyoteman
If all of the tests have been supporting a particular theory, for, say, 150 years, do you think its safe to bet the rent money against that theory?

Would you bet your life on such a theory? Better yet, would you bet your soul....

124 posted on 09/22/2006 10:27:09 PM PDT by csense
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To: csense
If all of the tests have been supporting a particular theory, for, say, 150 years, do you think its safe to bet the rent money against that theory?

Would you bet your life on such a theory? Better yet, would you bet your soul....

Trite.

Have any data?

125 posted on 09/22/2006 10:29:30 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: My2Cents
It all, very well, could be a false premise.

In other words...

The words are fine the way they are.

126 posted on 09/22/2006 10:30:15 PM PDT by csense
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To: csense
Pssst....I was agreeing with you.
127 posted on 09/22/2006 10:32:16 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: Coyoteman

I see, so my response, which is not fundamentally dissimilar from your own, is trite, yet....


128 posted on 09/22/2006 10:32:26 PM PDT by csense
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To: PatrickHenry
I've studied religions, philosophies and sciences. Logic and metaphysics. The questions are eternal as are the answers.

Creation....one of my professors of Ontology said, 'God see the world through our eyes. God surveys all that has begun through his creations."

Science reveals the patterns of the evolutions that have occurred on this world and evidence is disputable but not irrefutable. All things on Earth have their time, which is both a scientific and Biblical truth. Research in telemeres in the cells predict end and change. Research in our times involving stem cells is conflicted by a search for the fountain of youth and the promise of medical relief from maladies that have plagued man and all creatures since times immemorial. Research that worships the Idols of the Market. We seek renewal and a return to a more youthful and healthy state once experienced and which will probably forever be sought. Time will always deny us this as it has all that have gone before.
There exists layers of evidence of the past lives that present us with the opportunity to briefly understand the complexity of life in our world and the changes it has endured and survived. This is the way of the world which is studied, theorized, argued and incorporated into a theology or cosmology that will eventually succumb to eventuality.


On another note, I'm picking the NY Giants to win Sunday.
129 posted on 09/22/2006 10:33:47 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: My2Cents

ooops, sorry for the friendly fire...


130 posted on 09/22/2006 10:37:08 PM PDT by csense
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To: csense; Coyoteman
"It all, very well, could be a false premise. which again, for all practical purposes, amounts to nothing more than speculation and conjecture"

A theory isn't a premise.

"A theory can be overturned if new phenomena are observed that directly contradict the theory."

The correspondence principle applies to established theories. Those are theories that are backed with substantial evidence. What that means is that the old theory must appear as a special case of any newer, more general theory.

131 posted on 09/22/2006 10:38:12 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Coyoteman
Have any data?

As to the existence of the soul?

Only my subjective experience that, each and every day, supports my observation that we are fundameentally distinct from every other organism that inhabits this planet. Personally, I think it's a sad state of affairs that supposedly reasonable, intelligent, mature adults fail to see what a child knows to be true.

132 posted on 09/22/2006 10:45:15 PM PDT by csense
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To: csense

Good night. We'll contend again on another occasion.


133 posted on 09/22/2006 10:47:07 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: spunkets
A theory isn't a premise.

But an hypothesis is.

The correspondence principle applies to established theories. Those are theories that are backed with substantial evidence. What that means is that the old theory must appear as a special case of any newer, more general theory.

Falsification does not require the invocation of an alternate theory.

134 posted on 09/22/2006 10:59:11 PM PDT by csense
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To: texten
Um, is that what it means to "freep" a poll? I just thought it was a call to freepers to go vote once.

I think their is a misuse of the term here, too. Freeping a poll has never meant cheating on a poll. It is a just a term for notifying everyone here so they can vote en masse on a poll.

135 posted on 09/22/2006 11:04:54 PM PDT by Elyse
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To: csense
A hypothesis is not a premise either.

"Falsification does not require the invocation of an alternate theory."

Nothing at all is required. It is as I said previously, whether you like it, or not, others will develop a more general theory which will include the old as a special case. They will never be required to do that. they just will, because they want to.

136 posted on 09/22/2006 11:13:26 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: csense

BTW, the new theory is more general. It is not alternate.


137 posted on 09/22/2006 11:15:08 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Hacksaw
In order to circumvent that ruling, {poof!}, ID is hatched. The Wedge Strategy lays out the entire plan.

They were so brazen, they even laid out their entire plot on an anti ID website.

It is called, "Getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar". How Johnson must regret writing the strategy down. First rule of dishonest conspiracy... don't commit anything to documents.

138 posted on 09/23/2006 12:41:14 AM PDT by Thatcherite (I'm PatHenry I'm the real PatHenry all the other PatHenrys are just imitators)
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To: trumandogz

The truth is, you will never convince the Evolutionist of this.....the sad thing is that when they do realize it, it will be too late to change the mind.


139 posted on 09/23/2006 1:10:13 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: spinestein
You'll get your chance this November. Mark it on your calendar

Actually 'it's been marked on my calendar for many years now. To wit:

Keep mealy mouthed technocrats from elsewhere out of local business.

140 posted on 09/23/2006 4:35:00 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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