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To: DannyTN
I'm not using the Bible to attack you. I'm using the Bible to show that my positions are scripturally based. That's especially important when you say things like "As a christian religeous argument about morality, this seems pretty much out on the ragged edge of bizarre."

OK...let's just summarize your thesis: It's a christian precept that you are saved, not by accepting jesus as savior, but rather, by obeying whatever arbitrary dictates of your conscience you manage to manifest. Have I got that right? Maybe if you look hard enough in every obscure corner of the bible, you can demonstrate that black is white.

920 posted on 07/26/2006 2:07:58 AM PDT by donh
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To: donh
"OK...let's just summarize your thesis: It's a christian precept that you are saved, not by accepting jesus as savior, but rather, by obeying whatever arbitrary dictates of your conscience you manage to manifest."

Again, you seem to think that conscience is something "you manage" or "you choose". It is not. Conscience isn't, at least not by design. You can "pierce your conscience, by repeatedly violating it."

If you obeyed your conscience, you would not sin, and you would not need salvation. It is a Christian precept that there are two ways to have eternal life and the first one doesn't count.

First, if you never sin, you have eternal life. You don't need to be "saved", because you aren't under judgement. But we know, that all have sinned.

The second method is to be forgiven through accepting the sacrificial act of Jesus. If you are forgiven of your sins, you have no sin by virtue of being forgiven, and you are not under judgement, thus you are "saved".

924 posted on 07/26/2006 2:22:46 AM PDT by DannyTN
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