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"OK...let's just summarize your thesis: It's a christian precept that you are saved, not by accepting jesus as savior, but rather, by obeying whatever arbitrary dictates of your conscience you manage to manifest."

Again, you seem to think that conscience is something "you manage" or "you choose". It is not. Conscience isn't, at least not by design. You can "pierce your conscience, by repeatedly violating it."

If you obeyed your conscience, you would not sin, and you would not need salvation. It is a Christian precept that there are two ways to have eternal life and the first one doesn't count.

First, if you never sin, you have eternal life. You don't need to be "saved", because you aren't under judgement. But we know, that all have sinned.

The second method is to be forgiven through accepting the sacrificial act of Jesus. If you are forgiven of your sins, you have no sin by virtue of being forgiven, and you are not under judgement, thus you are "saved".

Again, you seem to think that conscience is something "you manage" or "you choose". It is not.

Sure it is. If it weren't, it would be an automatic reflex, not a conscience.

If you obeyed your conscience, you would not sin, and you would not need salvation. It is a Christian precept that there are two ways to have eternal life and the first one doesn't count.

So...are not suicidal muslim extremests who blow themselves up following the conscience of their fundamentalist beliefs? How not? So I guess, clearly, by this supposedly christian precept, fundamentalist muslim suicide bombers aren't sinful. Thanks for the enlightenment.

First, if you never sin, you have eternal life. You don't need to be "saved", because you aren't under judgement. But we know, that all have sinned.

Which makes this god's catch-22,eh? Sure you can be saved if you aren't christian--rule number 9987 says "just don't sin" against your conscience. But, of course, everyone sins.

We've already been over this ground. Under these christian precepts, you can be a useless, evil bastard your whole stinkin' life, but if you repent in the last stages of your life, you can be saved. What a great way to promote being an evil bastard most of your life. One heck of a system for promoting morality you got there, yes-sir-ee.