Posted on 05/12/2006 12:13:47 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
In his op-ed "Evolution's bottom line," published in The New York Times (May 12, 2006), Holden Thorp emphasizes the practical applications of evolution, writing, "creationism has no commercial application. Evolution does," and citing several specific examples.
In places where evolution education is undermined, he argues, it isn't only students who will be the poorer for it: "Will Mom or Dad Scientist want to live somewhere where their children are less likely to learn evolution?" He concludes, "Where science gets done is where wealth gets created, so places that decide to put stickers on their textbooks or change the definition of science have decided, perhaps unknowingly, not to go to the innovation party of the future. Maybe that's fine for the grownups who'd rather stay home, but it seems like a raw deal for the 14-year-old girl in Topeka who might have gone on to find a cure for resistant infections if only she had been taught evolution in high school."
Thorp is chairman of the chemistry department at the University of North Carolina.
Which of these 12 definitions are you using?
Define your terms and then we can begin.
Well, you've made a claim, you've really yet to defend it. And with language being what it is, you're really a lawyer without a case. Doesn't stop you from shouting.
Catholicism is a cult. And there is nothing bigoted about stating that factually.
To repeat my comments of post 813:
And out of all the billion plus Christians, your version is the correct one?Is that what your comment, "straight to hell..." back in post 792 implied for all the rest?
[As Art Hoppe used to say, "Save us from those who would save us!"]
A religious group that follows a particular theological system. In the context of Christianity, and in particular, CARM, it is a group that uses the Bible but distorts the doctrines that affect salvation sufficiently to cause salvation to be unattainable. A few examples of cults are Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, Christadelphians, Unity, Religious Science, The Way International, and the Moonies. (See also Cults)
A religious group which denies the essential doctrines of Christianity.
As I noted, I think I was clear in what I said, so I'm not sure I get your question. You would have no beef in saddling people with "unum sanctum", yet you would have me believe you might have a problem with someone else's 'unum sanctum'... Christ's, as it were. "I Am the way, the truth and the Life. NO man comes to the father but by me." Pretty black and white and utterly exclusive. He further says he is the door and anyone trying to enter by any other is a thief. Thieves don't enter heaven, we know from elsewhere, so the label again denies entrance. Where was your point?
I added the section you omitted in brackets. Hope you don't mind.A religious group that follows a particular theological system. In the context of Christianity, and in particular, CARM, it is a group that uses the Bible but distorts the doctrines that affect salvation sufficiently to cause salvation to be unattainable. A few examples of cults are Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, Christadelphians, Unity, Religious Science, The Way International, and the Moonies. (See also Cults)
A religious group which denies the essential doctrines of Christianity. [The term is usually reserved for groups founded after 1750.]
Son, I think you are blowing smoke. I can't see either of your definitions being applicable to your original statement:
Catholicism is a cult and I can defend that position.Perhaps you better think on this a while and try again.
I don't need to think on it. You deny salvation by faith. That is an essential doctrine of Christianity. By faith and only by faith. Not my words, Hebrews denounces combining it with works just as Paul did. You can't get around it. That is the starting point. If you can't get the core message of the Gospel right, nothing else really matters. By definition, you are a cult. But further, you not only reject that central tenet; but, curse anyone from your own ranks that would dare
embrace it. Cult++?
My point?
To repeat my comments of post 813:
And out of all the billion plus Christians, your version is the correct one?Is that what your comment, "straight to hell..." back in post 792 implied for all the rest?
My point is that I am reluctant to believe that, out of a billion Christians, only you have the key, and all others are headed "straight to hell" as you so subtly put it back in post 792.
[As Art Hoppe used to say, "Save us from those who would save us!"]
Well, number one, I didn't claim that 'only I have the key.' That is a psychological argumentation tactic used by the cults as a replacement for substantive defenses. Shift the onus from the topic to the person and attempt to win on adhom by inference.
Secondly, I didn't subtly put it any way in 792. I said it. Period. And I will make no apology for saying it. The truth is the truth and needs no apology.
Secondly, I didn't subtly put it any way in 792. I said it ["straight to hell..."]. Period. And I will make no apology for saying it. The truth is the truth and needs no apology.
Save us from those who would save us!
Out for the night.
NIV Acts 2:36-42
36. "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
37. When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?"
38. Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call."
40. With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation."
41. Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
42. They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
NIV Acts 4:2
They were greatly disturbed because the apostles were teaching the people and proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection of the dead.
NIV Acts 5:42
Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ.
NIV Romans 12:6-9
6. We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man's gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith.
7. If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach;
8. if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.
9. Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
NIV Romans 15:4
For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
NIV Romans 16:17
I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
NIV 1 Corinthians 4:17
For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
NIV 1 Corinthians 11:1-2
1. Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
2. I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings, just as I passed them on to you.
NIV Ephesians 4:14
Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
NIV 2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
NIV 2 Thessalonians 3:6-7
6. In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us.
7. For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example.
NIV 1 Timothy 1:3-4
3. As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
4. nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
NIV 1 Timothy 1:7
They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
NIV 1 Timothy 2:7
And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
NIV 1 Timothy 4:1-2
1. The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
NIV 1 Timothy 4:6
If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
NIV 1 Timothy 4:9-11
9. This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance
10. (and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.
11. Command and teach these things.
NIV 1 Timothy 6:2-5
2. Those who have believing masters are not to show less respect for them because they are brothers. Instead, they are to serve them even better, because those who benefit from their service are believers, and dear to them. These are the things you are to teach and urge on them.
3. If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
4. he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
5. and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
NIV 2 Timothy 1:13
What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
NIV 2 Timothy 2:1-2
1. You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2. And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others.
NIV 2 Timothy 2:15-18
15. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
16. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
17. Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,
18. who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some.
NIV 2 Timothy 4:2-4
2. Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction.
3. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
4. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
NIV Titus 1:9-11
9. He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
10. For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision group.
11. They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
NIV Titus 2:1
You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
NIV Hebrews 13:9
Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings. It is good for our hearts to be strengthened by grace, not by ceremonial foods, which are of no value to those who eat them.
NIV James 3:1
Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
NIV 2 Peter 2:1-3
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
NIV 1 John 2:21-27
21. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth.
22. Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist--he denies the Father and the Son.
23. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24. See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.
25. And this is what he promised us--even eternal life.
26. I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.
27. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.NIV 2 John 1:9-11
9. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
10. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.
11. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.
NIV Revelation 2:14-16
14. Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: You have people there who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols and by committing sexual immorality.
15. Likewise you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans.
16. Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
NIV Colossians 2:6-10
6. So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him,
7. rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.
8. See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
9. For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10. and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.
Evolution is not the mechanism you are talking about - Variation is.
mIcro = Variation. Ie: different looking dogs; but, still dogs.
mAcro = Change from one thing to something else. Ie: Dog becomes griffon.
micro is not exclusive to evolution and really is not evolution theory. macro is the big "E" evolution and has nothing whatever to do with what you reference as a learning tool in use, Variation is the tool you reference - not big "E" evolution. So, you're saying that Variation is a useful thing to study - which we all agree with.
You forgot in the theatrics to tear your garment and yell for my death. (snickering)
CG; I still beat my wife. Have YOU quit?
On another thread you complain that I'm jumping into an old argument between you and another fellow, and on this one you want me to get INVOLVED???
Make up your mind!
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