Posted on 04/19/2006 10:32:18 AM PDT by RGVTx
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Interesting. They had drained that pond without explanation months ago and one of the posters at Scared Monkeys took some pictures of what it looked like before and after it was drained. Very interesting stuff.
Han Mos was supposed to be the guy that was coming in to actually solve the case, but has joined the coverup. They are more interested in discrediting the witness than they are in justice. Mos will never go after the real criminals here because they are Dutch. This cover up is about class and on Aruba they Dutch are never to be accused of anything.
Do either of you know how these new witnesses’ time line fits with the gardener's time line?
I've always considered the gardener a reliable witness.
And I have to wonder if any amount of witnesses or evidence would ever be enough for Aruba to actually prosecute.
Gardner sees car with 3 people near Aruba Racquet Club around 2:30 am.
The witness that is being disussed now sees a muddy Joran and Papa Sloot in his red jeep near a pond in Monserat around 4:00 am.
This pond was quietly drained this spring. There are before and after pics over at Scared Monkeys. I will try to find a link to those pics and post it on this thread.
TUES. EMAIL FROM ARUBA.....
Des...
Hi xxxxxx
How are you today?
Today we has published the second part of the information of the witness.
Some interesting is tha the witness has saw Paulus van der Sloot and Joran nearby the pond in Monserat in a Red Jeep.
And its thrue that they have a Red Jeep.
But till now nothing from Mos, a declaration about this withness, nothing.
We expect that he must give a conference to confirm the declaration and what they gone do again with this declaration, because its interesting.
As soon that I know something more I let you know
Bye have a nice day
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3363.200
Before:
After
This is what was seen after the pond was drained.
And here is a map that provides an idea of the location of the pond (labeled Mystery Pond) to the Sloot dump and the Lion's Den
The tennis court in this pic is not the Aruba Racquet Club.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3363.240
From Jossy...
Key witness reveals what happened 4:05 am at Monserat
Paulus and Joran were “looking” for something on the side of the road
ORANJESTAD(AAN): Last week, DIARIO published the latest information regarding the key witness, who came forward to disclose everything he witnessed on May 2005 from his house, which is situated in the neighborhood of the Nacional Soccer field, close to the Monserat pond.
However the witness was afraid to come forward to the Police and local Prosecutor, because of the prejudice in the Prosecutor Office, which is alive and growing each day.
He did give a statement to the Prosecutor, but to certain extent. The more important and key details he revealed to the American investigators.
The American investigators listened very carefully to his story and immediately felt that he was telling the truth. They then asked him if he was willing to go to the States and pass a polygraph test.
The witness was tested by John S. Swartz, a renowned professional in this field, and the test revealed that he was telling the truth! Finally shedding some light on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in 2005.
Last week, after months of following the new developments, DIARIO published the first part of the witness’ statement. This statement that was already in Prosecutor Mos’s hands.
DIARIO opted to wait until after the FBI sent the results of the polygraph test and their investigation to Holland, before publishing the second part of the statement, considering that Holland would send a copy to Aruba.
THE WITNESS’ STATEMENT
On May 30th, 2005 he was sleeping in his room; when he was awaken by the alarming sound of barking dogs. He opened his eyes and checked his alarm clock; it was 4:05 am.
He got up and listening to where the barking was coming from, he went in the living room and peeked thru the window to find out why the dogs sounded so alarmed.
Under the streetlight, he saw someone walking towards his house, from the Nacional Soccer field, close to the Monserat pond and hotel area.
While the person was walking under another streetlight, he could clearly see the person. It was undoubtedly a man, notably tall, slim, Caucasian, with short and dark hair, relatively young and he looked like a Dutch citizen.
He could see his profile and one side of his face.
He was wearing a red t-shirt and light colored pants. The witness noticed by the way the person was limping, that he was missing his right sneaker or shoe. He also noted that the person was breathing extremely hard, as if he just had been running very hard for a long time. His chest was heaving.
WET AND MUDDY CLOTHES
The witness stated (and probably also in the lie-detector test), that the person clothes were wet and that he also saw a muddy stripe on his chest, more or less about 5 centimeters above his chest.
The muddy stripe on his chest clearly showed that he was completely wet.
At first glance, the witness though that the person maybe had been in a fight with someone, and he was running not to get beat up. But his face showed no bruises or blood.
But because he didn’t look back not even to check if someone might be following him and just kept walking fast with his head down, the witness thought he did something other that fighting.
The person walked past his house, and kept walking, until he was out of sight, and he never raised his head or looked back, and just kept walking in the hotel’s direction.
This happened in about one minute.
NEW INFORMATION
After the witness saw the person walk past his house and was out of sight, he sat down in his living room for about 5 minutes.
He then noticed a car driving slowly, coming from the hotel area. Behind the wheel was a middle-aged, Caucasian man. Next to him, the witness saw the young man that was walking past his house a few minutes earlier.
The witness said they were driving a red jeep, and that they were driving extremely slow. He stated to the American investigators that was clearly that the driver and the passenger were looking for something on the floor. He said that the car just keep going in the direction of the Monserat pond.
HE RECOGNIZED THE DRIVER
According to the witness, in the following weeks he recognized the young man as Joran van der Sloot, when his pictures started to circulate in the press, and that the disappearance of Natalee Holloway became an international media frenzy.
He also recognized the driver as Paulus van der Sloot, Joran’s father. The witness stated that, that was everything he saw and that nothing more happened.
The question in everyone mind is: What were Paulus and Joran looking for on that road? The fact that the witness passed the polygraph test and is telling the truth is enough to focus the attention on that.
Of course the public wants to know why this witness didn’t come forward in 2005.
The witness was afraid of the consequences of his statement, since he was well aware that Paulus van der Sloot has powerful connections in the Prosecutors Office. Paulus is a lawyer, and he was studying to become a judge.
Knowing that the justice system in Aruba is totally in Dutch hands, he felt compelled to keep his mouth shut. This went on for more than 2 years, and in the end of 2007, he felt the need to reveal what he saw that day from his house.
The witness hired a lawyer to defend him, because in such a complicated case, even the witness has to be prepared for any eventuality, and also for guidance.
Meanwhile American investigators, with the consent from local authorities, did a sonar test at the Monserat pond in the beginning of this year, when the water level was low.
DIARIO was informed that this test discovered 15 objects underwater, and that only 3 could be defined.
A polygraph (popularly referred to as a lie detector) is an instrument that measures and records several physiological responses such as blood pressure, pulse, respiration and skin conductivity while the subject is asked and answers a series of questions, on the theory that false answers will produce distinctive measurements. The polygraph measures physiological changes caused by the sympathetic nervous system during questioning.
The 48 year old witness passed this test with flying colors, indicating that everything he saw that dawn, close to the Monserat pond, is true.
DIARIO presumes that the Prosecutor’s Office received this statement from Holland, and just in case they didn’t, they can read it today for free and begin to do their homework.
Thanks again for bringing updates to the thread, Truthluva.
I hope this new info brings some resolution to this case.
I’ve read a little at SM. Interesting that one witness says Joran was wearing a red T-shirt. Blood red??
And I’m loving that Paulus is getting more fingers pointed towards him. That sweating POS is as guilty as Joran.
I sure agree with that RG!! Paulus has been up to his ears in this crime from that very night. He and his son are identitical Pieces Of S—t!! CO
this link is unrelated to this thread - disregard, tks
Thanks so much for the update.
Update Ping.
Aruba prosecutor: End is near in Holloway case
By DAVID McFADDEN, Associated Press Writer David Mcfadden, Associated Press Writer – 1 min ago
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico – Aruban prosecutors said Tuesday their investigation into the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway is nearing the end and appealed for anyone with information to come forward.
Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos said his office still needs “at least another few months” to investigate statements made by the only remaining suspect, Joran van der Sloot, during a hidden-camera interview which was broadcast on Dutch television last year.
But he then said prosecutors “are approaching the end of this lengthy investigation.”
[snip]
Mos, without disclosing specifics, said the TV program caused a “new stream of information”
[snip]
“My office does not want to disclose these results to the suspect and thus make him wiser even before he has been confronted with these results,” Mos said, referring to Van der Sloot, who was last known to be living in Thailand.
In November, Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for the Aruba Prosecutors’ Office, said authorities hoped to decide by the end of 2008 whether to prosecute Van der Sloot or close the case for good.
[snip]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090107/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_aruba_missing_teen
Thanks for the update.
We all know the truth. Joran VanderSloot killed Natalee Holloway.
His parents and the corrupt police chief collaborated to cover it up.
Joran got away with murder.
End of story.
Thanks for the ping, LucyT. You do know this was an Aruban dog and pony show they had down there yesterday. Hans Mos made a long statement to the press. I watched it live at a site that had a Dutch/to English translator. Mos would have lost his job as a Prosecutor anywhere in the U.S. if he had admitted how little he did to solve this case.
There are other things going on in Aruba right now that Mos would never want to happen. John Q Kelly and Mark Furman have been down there this week and they are following some leads that Mos refused to check out.
Justice for Natalee will never come from Aruba. Someone will have to go down there and make it happen.
Thank you, truthluva and Palladin. Interesting that John Q. Kelly and Mark Furman were in Aruba this week.
Ping to #4,233.
Aruba prosecutor: End is near in Holloway case
In his corrupt and stinking dreams. This is just the beginning.
I've been watching this play out, but haven't gotten my hopes up. What triggered JQK and Furhman to go to Aruba this week? What do they expect to accomplish?
Maybe Fuhrman is writing a book.
It was his book that broke open the cold case of Martha Moxley’s murder, with the resulting prosecution and conviction.
Good luck to Mark!
Exactly right. NOTHING and no new evidence will cause these two criminals (father and son team) to ever be Prosecuted in Aruba. The place is just far too corrupt. This could have been solved years ago - they didn’t want to solve it period!!! CO
Over the last few weeks a member of the Dutch Parliment has come forward with accusations about the initial investigations done by Van Der Straaten and company. Rudy Croes had stated publically there was a problem in that Van Der Straaten and Paulus were friends and hinted that this is why the case had not been solved.
This week in Aruba, many members of Parliment gathered for annual meetings and Hero Brinkman, the Dutch cowboy hehe, was to be there. I think JOK has been in touch with this guy along with Peter DeVries. Peter DeVries is the guy with the crime show that investigates unsolved crimes. He is the one that set Joran up to get the ‘confession’ in the car and he also got him on tape trafficking women from Thailand. Since it was a set up and no one was actually sold I don’t think they can do anything to him.
Well, all of these people were going to be in Aruba at the same time. I don’t know anything about a book by Furman, but I hope that is true. Han Mos gave a BS statement to the Aruban public this week that was about the worst thing I have ever heard a prosecutor say. Basically he has done what Karin Janssen did before him...ignore most of the leads and pretend like you might be doing something. Other than that he says if other people want to investigate they can. Pfft.
Hero Brinkman has hinted that he wants the Parliment to call for an investigation of the investigation. We will see what happens...but, today he was thrown out of the meetings because he called Rudy Croes a liar. Croes is a liar...they just don’t want Brinkman to tell everyone.
I would watch Greta tonight to see if she interviews Brinkman again tonight. He’s awesome!
LucyT, would you ping those I've missed, please?
Truthluva, is it the Dutch Parliament that Brinkman is asking to investigate the investigation?
Even if it is the Dutch Parliament doing the investigation I still envision a flow of corruption between the Dutch and Aruban Dutch. Brinkman is up against some dastardly odds. God bless him.
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