Natalee Holloway Extended Discussion Thread 20

After reading Tim Miller's interview, I had to post this link to TES for fund raising. $150,000 is needed by TES to complete the deep water search for Natalee.
http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

The latest from Deetch,

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/

mark

I didn't know GVC's family had pulled up roots in Aruba.
Why hasn't Paulus of the ditch done the same?

He's sitting on evidence, keeping a close watch on his friend Karin Janssen.

I personally think Holland will not allow him back. Likely France or New South Wales Australia is where he's looking.

He's safer with those who are complicit, he can stay but they run.

Out in the open away from Aruba, he's a dead man. My only hope is they cut his balls off and feed them to Joran.

Did any of you catch Inside Edition?

Someone took a bunch of pictures recently of JVS hanging all over a blond female on the island of Aruba. It looks like JVS is back in Aruba. (sorry if you all know about this already - I have not read the thread and I just thought I would let you know what I saw. Check the Inside Edition website as something might be up there)

http://www.insideedition.com/ourstories/inside_stories/story.aspx?storyid=297

I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays quotes are from an interview on

11-02-05 Rita Cosby Live and Direct
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9910586

Joining us now on the phone from Meridian, Mississippi, is Natalee‘s father, Dave Holloway, who has signed that letter. Also with us is Natalee‘s uncle, Paul Reynolds. He‘s in Aruba tonight with Natalee‘s mom, Beth Twitty.
Let me start with you, Dave. Why do you feel that investigators and prosecutors are bungling the case?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER: Well, it started from day one. We—or Beth arrived on the island within 24 hours of Natalee‘s disappearance, and she identified—she and Jug identified the suspects within 24 hours and handed it to the authorities. And then, you know what‘s happened since then.

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COSBY: You know, Paul, you‘re in Aruba. Are you stunned that things have not been resolved quicker?

PAUL REYNOLDS, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S UNCLE: We‘ve been concerned about the investigation from the very beginning, you know, sort of like they said, on almost the first day. And we‘ve identified certain people that we feel are, for whatever reason, just not taking the necessary steps. And you know, we feel like a change is certainly necessary and appropriate to try to move this investigation along.

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COSBY: Yes, absolutely. And in fact, you know, some of the things were pretty stunning, Dave, that you say in the letter. I want to show a quote. This is from Dennis Jacobs. He‘s one of the lead investigators in the case. You basically went over to him and you told him, Look, Natalee‘s missing. This was early on. And he said to you, according to you, “Just go down to Carlos and Charlie‘s and have a beer. She‘ll show up sometime. She probably just got drunk or fell in love and ran off with someone for a few days.”

How outraged are you? And you know, there‘s another allegation that he said, How much money do you have?

HOLLOWAY: Yes, those statements were made, and the standard MO down there was, You know, a lot of girls do that and not show up, and you know, that‘s the indication he gave us, which is go down to Carlos and Charlie‘s and maybe she‘ll show up. And you know, I knew that wasn‘t the case, but he insisted that that‘s what we needed to do.

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COSBY: Oh! Dave and Paul, please stay with us because right before the show, I actually spoke with Aruba‘s deputy chief of police and he dropped a bombshell, telling us in an exclusive interview that he believes that the boys are guilty as hell and that he just has to prove that information. He also defended himself against the attacks by Natalee‘s family. Let‘s listen to what he told us.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

Chief, I want to read you a quick quote, if I could. This is from the letter that was signed by Beth Holloway Twitty, also Dave Holloway, also a few others. It says, “The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway has been mishandled and jeopardized by the current investigative and prosecution team. We expressed our total lack of confidence in that team.”

I know you‘ve been asking, you know, a lot of questions, but what is your reaction to this?

GEROLD DOMPIG, ARUBA DEPUTY POLICE CHIEF: I totally regret that these feelings are probably with the family right now, but it has become increasingly difficult to please the family. As you might understand, we do want to conduct the investigation, and to be able to investigate, we really have to go to the bottom of things. We did not get a chance in the beginning to really interrogate the Alabama teens, for instance, because they left Aruba. And four months after the fact, we—as a matter of fact, myself, after looking at the material, I think that we still need to get a couple of answers.

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COSBY: Are you, Chief, not satisfied that maybe some things may lie tied to the United States, tied to, what, maybe some of the other teens that were involved?

DOMPIG: Well, no. That is also, I think, a misunderstanding. We are looking for pieces of the puzzle. And I want to state once more that I still believe that these boys have been lying. They‘re still lying. And everybody knows that by now. So there‘s no doubt in my mind that they know something, they are guilty of something. I just don‘t know what they‘re guilty of.

And my effort is to try to prove that they have something to do with the disappearance of Natalee, but to be able to do that, I really need more information. We started with the three boys because there was so much pressure also. And we tried to prosecute them because, as you all know, but—as you all know, the judge threw it out. And at a certain point, you have to go back and try to find out where the weak links are. Why did the judge throw it out?

So that‘s—for that reason, I am trying to get more answers, find more new leads, but the problem is that we cannot focus if we constantly are confronted with problems with the family.

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COSBY: Do you believe, Chief—you said to me even before this interview that you believe the boys are guilty as hell. Do you believe they‘re involved in her disappearance?

DOMPIG: Yes.

COSBY: In what capacity?

DOMPIG: Well, I don‘t know. You know, it is something that has to do with a gut feeling, and I know that a gut feeling is something that you cannot take to court, so I have to prove my case. We have to get the opportunity to get those pieces of the puzzle. It‘s very important to try to get an exact profile of Natalee, meaning her behavior, background, et cetera, et cetera. In the beginning, that was very difficult because the family was very upset and it was an emotional period for the family. And so we...

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COSBY: In this letter, they even kind of go after you personally. They say, “It is apparent that Dompig wants to incite anti-Beth Twitty feelings among the Aruban populace in a situation where he should be doing the exact opposite and appealing to the Aruban people for leads to solve Natalee‘s disappearance.”

How do you feel about that?

DOMPIG: Well, I think it‘s very unfortunate because it is strange that while we are trying—doing everything in our powers to get more information, when we turn to the Alabama kids or even to the mother or the family, then we start getting into blind walls, and as a matter of fact, really into trouble, troublesome areas. And I find that very disturbing, and it is not helping the investigation. I regret that the mother feels that I‘m going after her. That‘s not the case at all. But I really need more information.

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COSBY: And let‘s bring back in Dave Holloway and Paul Reynolds. You know, Dave, one of the things I thought was very powerful that the chief just said—I asked him, you know, what he said to me before on the phone, Do you believe these boys are guilty as hell? And he said yes.

HOLLOWAY: And that‘s where he needs to be focusing his investigation, in my opinion. In fact, he knows the key witnesses that I‘m aware of, and I just can‘t understand why he has not focused in on those key witnesses.

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COSBY: You know, Paul, what‘s your reaction?

REYNOLDS: Well, you know, we know that the boys are guilty. And you know, as he said, we don‘t know exactly what all they did. We know certain things they‘ve did, though, because they‘ve come out against each other. They‘ve given us information. And we feel that the police need to be aggressive or the prosecutor needs to be aggressive in following up on these allegations that they‘ve made against each other.

Now, I know that Beth has offered to meet with the police yesterday and today and, you know, she‘s been denied that opportunity. There may be a meeting scheduled tomorrow. We‘re still waiting to see if that‘s going to take place. But you know, Beth is always willing and ready to meet with them and provide whatever information is necessary.

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COSBY: Oh, absolutely. I want to show—this is just another quote. This is from Detective Dennis Jacobs down there. “Jacobs continues to theorize that Natalee is still alive, which may explain his lack of diligence in pursuing the suspects who are responsible for Natalee‘s disappearance.” This is in the letter, Dave, that you also sent and it‘s being distributed down there. Do you think that—that they actually think that she still may be alive?

HOLLOWAY: Well, that‘s the theory Dennis gave us, and you know, maybe he‘s changed his mind since then. But he‘s the lead investigator, and according to the FBI and review of those statements and things, they feel like that‘s not the case. So you know, I really don‘t know where he‘s coming from on that.

But you know, there again, the issue is, is these three boys were last seen with Natalee, and that‘s where the focus needs to be directed. And I just—I can‘t understand why they want to get off on peripheral issues, you know, such as Beth related to Hitler (ph) and how much money does she have and et cetera. You know, it just astounds me.

COSBY: It is crazy. But look, the chief even said he believes they‘re guilty as hell. He just has to prove it. Now he‘s got to, you know, put his money where his mouth is. Guys, thank you both very, very much.

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I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.

Todays quotes are from an interview on the

11-09-2005 Rita Cosby Live
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9992345/

And we first broke the news that the governor of Alabama, outraged over the Natalee Holloway investigation, was calling for a boycott of Aruba.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. BOB RILEY ®, ALABAMA: We‘ve reached the point where there are no other viable options.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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COSBY: What reaction have you gotten from, you know, from the call for the boycott?

RILEY: Well, I was in Washington most of the day today. And it gave me an opportunity to visit with a lot of people that I served in Congress with. And it was totally positive across the board.

COSBY: It was? Are they planning on speaking out, or do you think we‘ll see other governors, other folks speaking out, as well?

RILEY: Well, we‘re going to draft a letter within the next day or two, and we‘re going to send it to all the governors in the United States.

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RILEY: No. And it‘s never been to that point. The only thing that we‘re asking is far to keep the family informed, make sure that they are aggressive in the prosecution.

You know, I don‘t think there‘s anything in the world wrong with allowing an investigator to see all of the interrogations, see all of the evidence that‘s been collected, communicate with Natalee‘s family. I mean, these aren‘t very dramatic requests.

On the other hand, we want to see something begin to transpire down there. And it hasn‘t in the last few months.

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COSBY: Late today, LIVE & DIRECT, we got a statement from the Dutch ambassador about the Aruban boycott. And that ambassador tells us, quote, “While I understand the ongoing anguish, a boycott of Aruba is not the answer to a legal case which is still under investigation.”

It further says, “It‘s not the appropriate signal to the citizens of Aruba who have been very supportive in the efforts to find Natalee Holloway.”

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LIVE & DIRECT right now is Natalee‘s stepfather, Jug Twitty. Jug, what‘s the reaction from this comment from the ambassador?

GEORGE “JUG” TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, Rita, first of all, let me say that I really admire Governor Riley. Yesterday, when I went down there, it made me so proud to be from the state of Alabama. And I know it made Beth feel proud.

What he‘s done and what his legislatures that helped us down there have done, we knew there were going to be repercussions from it. But you know, Governor Riley knows—he feels our hurt. And he stepped forward.

And Senator Shelby stepped forward today, I understand. And, you know, no matter what happens, what the outcome is, Beth and I know in our hearts that our community, our state, and our governor, and our government is behind us and they‘ve done everything.

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COSBY: You know, Jug, why the boycott now? I mean, it seems that they‘ve sort of dropped the ball from the beginning. Was there something that precipitated this moment?

TWITTY: No, Rita, I mean, we—I think Representative Vance talked about this a couple of months ago. And I actually wrote a letter to Governor Riley asking him not to do this at this time, because we felt like that they were working with us, that this wasn‘t the right thing.

We don‘t want to hurt anybody. And we don‘t want a boycott. We want answers as to what happened to Natalee. That‘s all we‘re asking for.

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COSBY: Yes, no, certainly it seems that it has. And you heard he called the governors today, Jug. Is there anything that you guys as a family are planning on doing? Are you calling friends? Are you planning on taking some other extra steps, meeting with some other officials, too?

TWITTY: We‘ll do whatever it takes. I mean, we‘re asking—you know, I would have thought today, instead of the Aruban government coming out and, you know, calling the State Department with a complaint or whatever, how about Karen Janssen picking up the phone and calling Beth? That would have been a lot better.

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RILEY: You know, if you look back over the last six months, what that family has gone through, what they have done, the amount of assets that they‘ve brought in to the investigation, all of this is because of Natalee‘s family and their dedication to reach some type of resolve.

That‘s got to happen. And it‘s got to happen with the same type of passion of the Aruban people that you‘re seeing from a family who‘s still trying to find their daughter.

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And this from a 6-10-2005 AP Report

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/88-06102005-500551.html

3 Arrested in Missing Teen Case in Aruba

By MICHAEL NORTON
The Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Three young men who acknowledged giving a ride to an Alabama honors student the day she disappeared were arrested, while Aruba's prime minister said finding the woman was the country's "No. 1 goal."

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Prime Minister Nelson Oduber on Thursday expressed solidarity with Holloway's family and underscored the importance of U.S.-ruba ties, saying the government was working closely with U.S. authorities to solve the case.

"The hearts of the people of Aruba are touched by Natalee and her family," he said at a news conference. "Resolving this is Aruba's No. 1 goal."

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The prime minister, who said he had met with Holloway's relatives, pledged that police would not exclude anyone from their investigation.

"On this island nobody stands above the law," he said, stressing that "hope is still alive" that Holloway will be found unharmed.

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The two ex-guards, Nick John, 30, and Abraham Jones, 28, will remain jailed, at least until a court hearing next week, Janssen said. Neither man has been formally charged.

The Dutch detainee is white, while the two Surinamese men are of Indian origin. The two former security guards are black.

Janssen said the investigation "has nothing to do with color of skin" and social class.

To read the rest

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/88-06102005-500551.html

It hurts to tell you this, but Paul Van der sloot raped Natalee.

I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.

Todays quotes are from an interview on the

11-08-2005 Scarborough Country

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9974712/

The governor joins me now from Alabama.

Governor, God bless you.

You know, there are a lot of people in Manhattan, a lot of elites in Manhattan and in L.A. that say, oh, gosh, Why are you people talking about Natalee Holloway? And, yet, when I returned home to the University of Alabama and people came up to me in the stadium, they said, we have got to get justice for this girl.

Why do—Alabama is so connected to her and a lot of people in America, they really feel like she is one of their own. Why do you think that is?

RILEY: Well, you know, Joe, I don‘t think there‘s anyone in the United States that hasn‘t been following this for the last few months.

And I think we‘re bordering on what is ridiculous right now. I mean, we have gone from one set of assumptions to another for the last five or six months. And then, as of last week, they basically come in and say there‘s not anything we can do about it in Aruba.

And that‘s just not good enough. This is an Alabama citizen. She went down there. This investigation, I believe, has been botched. I think the Aruban people, to a large extent, just want it to go away. And, as long as I‘m governor and as long as Beth and Jug ask to us do it, we‘re going to do everything we can to bring some justice and some finality to this.

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SCARBOROUGH: You know, Governor, you have been talking with the Twittys for some time and the Holloway family, and asking what you could do to help them out. And, actually, Beth and Jug have said from the very beginning, they are not interested in boycotts. They wanted to work with the government.

But I guess the situation has gotten so bad down there, they finally had no other option but to turn to you for help. So, what are you asking not only Alabama citizens, but Americans to do tonight?

RILEY: Well, one of the first things I‘m going to do is send a letter and then—to all of the other 49 governors, asking them to participate in this boycott. I hope they will.

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You know, this—this has gotten to the point, Joe, if we don‘t do this—it‘s not that anyone wants a boycott, but we literally have no options, if you look at what happened in just the last few weeks.

There were people down there—and the only thing the Aruban government had to do is go and just call and ask for assistance. We couldn‘t even get that done. So, I think we have reached the point. No one wanted to do this. And if you look at what Beth and Jug have done over the last six months, when the legislature was attempting to ask for a boycott five months ago, they said, don‘t do it; let the system work.

Well, everyone has tried, and now we have run out of options. This is the only option left.

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SCARBOROUGH: Governor, stay with us.

I want to bring in Jug Twitty right now.

Jug, what was the triggering event? When did you finally say, enough is enough; we‘re going to go ahead and do what people have been asking us to do for the past five months and call for a boycott of Aruba?

JUG TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, I think, Joe, it was actually when Beth got the letter from the Aruban government saying that they really had no power, that it—you know, you had to go to The Hague to get something done.

And, for five or six months, we have been down there running around in circles, people lying to us, trying to get an answer. We have tried to do everything. And then, all our efforts that we tried to help with down there just were all for nothing, because we weren‘t going to the right people. So, I think that‘s when we decided to go this way.

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SCARBOROUGH: You know, Jug, at the beginning of this, for the first couple months, we always had a banner up. When we had you or Beth or anybody else involved on this show, we would have a headline up that would ask the question “Caribbean Cover-up?” obviously with a question mark at the end of that headline, because we wanted to be fair.

Unfortunately, I think we have got to strip that question mark off.

This has been nothing but a Caribbean cover-up, hasn‘t it?

TWITTY: Well, in my opinion, it‘s a total cover-up.

And, of course, I said that in the meeting with the prosecutor early on. And she said absolutely no way. And, Mr. Twitty, you need to quit saying that. It‘s not a cover-up.

Well, in my eyes, it is. I have been there since the beginning. The boys were protected. The father was protected. And we basically gave them to them on a silver platter. And they had plenty of time to cover up several things, so I do think it‘s a cover-up. They have had three different investigators handling the situation. It‘s unbelievable.

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RILEY: Past that, I think everyone needs to reconsider any travel arrangements to Aruba today. You know, ask yourself, if had you a daughter, would you want her to go on an island where you absolutely had no control over the outcome of an investigation or even a participant in the investigation? That‘s all that they have asked for all the way through, is, allow us at least the information, so we can make good judgments. That is...

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SCARBOROUGH: And know, again, our thoughts and prayers are going to be with you all.

And I‘ll tell you what. For those elites that don‘t understand why Americans are touched by this story, you just don‘t understand Middle America.

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And also a FoxNews Report from 6-14-2005

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:yNKrE4eHYccJ:www.foxnews.com/story/

Aruba Authorities Begin New Search for Clues
Tuesday, June 14, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Investigators in Aruba began searching Tuesday in an area near the island's hotel district following a new tip in the mystery surrounding Natalee Holloway (search)'s disappearance.

A boy who found a pair of women's underpants, used condoms and condom wrappers near a small pond in the Palm Beach area north of the Alabama teenager's hotel phoned his find in to police.

Authorities said the area was a popular hangout among teens and that the items were nothing unusual, but a dearth of clues to Holloway's whereabouts was prompting police to follow every lead.

A representative of the Aruban prime minister's office and the police commissioner were on the scene, yet another indication of how eager the tranquil island paradise is to show the world it is taking the teen's disappearance seriously. Police Chief Jan van Stratten was to speak at a press conference Tuesday afternoon.

Police have so far have found few solid leads to Holloway's whereabouts, including DNA evidence.

To read the rest

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:yNKrE4eHYccJ:www.foxnews.com/story/

"It hurts to tell you this, but Paul Van der sloot raped Natalee."

I also believe he did, and have believed it from the beginning. Just wish it could be proven. I am so very tired of waiting for a ruling from the judge in New York on the civil case. Wish Kelly would get back in the news with some positive comments!!

Stlnative, thanks for the heads up on that. I had not seen it. It says many people were taking pictures of the goon zoon and he seemed to be enjoying the attention. The hotel said they couldn't keep him away since he was a guest of a hotel guest and not causing problems. The question of the day seemed to be 'What is that girl thinking?'

I've often thought that Paulus sweating buckets indicated more than just 'doing anything to protect my son.' Those buckets of sweat have the smell of guilt.

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Thanks imaketypos, I saw that. Just trying to out the haters. Another example of teenage misogny.

And I haven't posted there since May. I must be doing something right but I'm sorry for the distraction.

"your own father, unbelievable."

Wonder what that means?

And remember what Anita said that Joran told her, "If you were home, this wouldn't have happened."

What does that mean?

I must be doing something right but I'm sorry for the distraction

My opinion sir,,,,,keep fighting the good fight !

I believe it would be beneficial to relook at some interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays interview is

6-30-05 Scarborough Country

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430791/

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: One month without Natalee Holloway and growing anger over the investigation. Tonight‘s top headline: U.S. officials wage a secret war of words against Aruban officials. We are going to have an inside story in a special SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY investigation.

Welcome to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY. No passport required, only common sense allowed.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My feeling is, there‘s a possibility that others are involved, including—you know, obviously, the judge, knows more than what he is telling.

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SCARBOROUGH: A moment of silence marks one month since Natalee disappeared. But cries for action are growing at home, as SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY uncovers Senate documents demanding immediate action from Aruba. With Congress finally involved, will Natalee‘s family get the answers they need?

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SCARBOROUGH: Good evening and welcome to the show.

You know, it‘s been one month to the day since Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba, and there‘s still no sign of the Alabama teenager, and, tonight, shocking results from a SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY investigation on Washington‘s secret war of words with Aruban authorities. SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY has obtained Senate documents blasting the Natalee Holloway investigation as—quote—“a dead end,” while FBI officials are bitterly complaining that they have been shut out by Dutch authorities.

Now, we are going to have a lot more on that exclusive report in one minute.

But, first, let‘s go live to Aruba to NBC‘s Martin Savidge for today‘s latest developments.

And, Martin, I‘ve just got to start with the question, what‘s been the reaction to your explosive interview with the chief prosecutor last night?

MARTIN SAVIDGE, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, the number one response that you‘ve had from people across the island and even outside of Aruba is that they are amazed as to how much that prosecutor opened up to us. They really were surprised that she had so much to say when she started talking.

Ms. Janssen is a woman that is known on the island to be as tough as nails and a woman who doesn‘t say a lot usually, especially to the media, and they were very surprised how she opened up, but, in many cases, very pleased about what they heard from her, that she was straight-talking and that she was not trying to sugarcoat anything about how the investigation was going.

Let‘s talk about other things going on today on the island, the searching. It has been dwindling over the past couple of days for a number of reasons. But, today, we did see Dutch Marines out again on the search for the first time in a couple of weeks. They were there with the Aruban police.

The EquuSearch people, they have been scaling back some. They say they are in the middle of a transition. They hope to have more people arriving by the weekend to supplement those who had to leave. Remember, they are volunteers, so they do have day jobs to go back to. The van der Sloot family, Paul and Anita, for the first time today in a while, they had the opportunity to go visit their son. That is at the prison where their son is now located, at the opposite end of the island. KIA is how it‘s referred to.

Paul van der Sloot is not allowed to go visit his son. He does, of course, drive his wife there. Only Anita is allowed to go in and talk to their 17-year-old, who continues to be a prime suspect in the case. It was a day of solidarity throughout the island of Aruba, but especially around this particular area, where the tourists are so heavy, the American influence is felt, and, of course, where the family of Natalee Holloway waits for word on the fate of that young woman.

They had a special ceremony that took place late in the afternoon. And it was quite moving to watch, as hundreds of people, those involved in the tourist industry, those who are just Arubans that wanted to be there, and, in many cases, tourists who stopped the vacation for the moment to join hands, to have a moment of silence, to listen and take part in a prayer, and be as one, as they thought about Natalee Holloway exactly one month since her disappearance.

One very poignant sign, too, about the feelings of the United States and Aruba, there‘s a very tall hotel on the edge of the strip here. Almost every day, it has an Aruban flag flying atop. Today, something different, a huge American flag, a sign of solidarity—Joe.

SCARBOROUGH: Martin, thanks so much. We greatly appreciate your report.

Now, tonight, disturbing reports out of Washington regarding this case. SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY has obtained documents from a powerful U.S. senator that was sent yesterday to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and the Aruban prime minister, letters demanding a more aggressive investigation into Natalee‘s disappearance.

Now, copies of those letters were provided to Natalee Holloway‘s family and also members of the Dutch Embassy. Senator Shelby‘s office refused any comment tonight, but they did confirm—and this is all they would confirm to me—that the letters had been sent.

The letter to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice reads in part—quote—“Dear Madam Secretary, I am writing today regarding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. I request you engage the Aruban government in dialogue regarding their ongoing investigation of Ms. Holloway‘s disappearance. I am told that, while Aruban government officials initially invited the FBI to the island, the government did not grant the FBI sufficient investigative authority over the case. I believe that it is essential the FBI be allowed to participate in a meaningful and substantive way.”

The letter to the prime minister of Aruba is also equally blunt. The senator wrote—quote—“Dear prime minister, I believe the government of Aruba should invite the United States‘ Federal Bureau of Investigation to become an active participation in the ongoing investigation in a full and substantive manner. The FBI was initially invited to Aruba to observe the investigation into Natalee‘s disappearance. However, they had no clearly defined role, nor were they granted sufficient investigative authority over the case.”

The letter goes on to say this: “It is troubling to think that our governments are not working together to resolve this investigation. It is my hope,” the senator says, “that the government of Aruba will formally request the assistance of the FBI and grant them full access to all evidence and information pertinent to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. I believe you will agree that it is imperative this case be resolved quickly and that it‘s done with the FBI‘s active involvement—unquote.

Now, friends, I have learned much more. U.S. officials also told me today that FBI agents in Aruba have grown increasingly frustrated with this investigation, with one agent complaining—quote—“They have not allowed us to do ‘blank,‘ anything.” You fill in the blank.

U.S. officials also complained tonight that the Dutch government is calling all the shots in this—quote—“incestual investigation” and all the power does not lie in Aruba. All the power lies in the Netherlands. An official told me—quote—“Everybody down there is protecting their friends.” That‘s how one Washington official summed up the entire Natalee Holloway investigation.

Now, some in Washington say it‘s because the Dutch police chief is—quote—“best friends” with Paul van der Sloot. With much of official Washington seemingly convinced that the Dutch government is engaging in a cover-up of the investigation, what can the Alabama teenager‘s family do to find justice in this tiny Caribbean nation?

Well, with us now, let‘s bring in a member of that family. I believe we have with us Paul Reynolds.

Paul, obviously, we have been following this story for some time. But talking to you, here we have now a U.S. senator getting involved, taking the secretary of state of the United States to task and taking Aruban officials to task for not letting the FBI participate in this investigation. What can you tell me about this senator‘s involvement and the letters?

PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We are very glad to hear that response. We think it‘s certainly needed. When we hear reports that the father went on Dutch television and said that he was not even interrogated, we lose confidence in the system that‘s there and what‘s been happening.

We thought the FBI was coming in to assist in the beginning. We were very comfortable when they started arriving on the island. You know, we were hopeful that the concerns we had about the preferential treatment they might be receiving on the island, that would be alleviated.

But it just—it—we don‘t see that. Time...

SCARBOROUGH: Well, Paul, you know, I am hearing two things today, Paul.

First of all, I get a copy of these documents from the senator‘s

office. The senator, of course, won‘t talk to us. But we get these

documents that were mailed out yesterday. And, in the documents, the

senator is clearly saying the FBI is not involved. Then we talk to an

official in Washington, D.C., who tells us that the FBI is bitterly

complaining—quote—“We are not allowed to do ‘blank.‘”

Very angry, and the FBI is angry. Does the family share the FBI‘s anger, and has the family heard from the FBI that they are being cut off at the pass every single time?

REYNOLDS: They don‘t actually say that to us, but we can certainly see that in the activities that are going on. They are simply not involved. The fact that they were leaving the island, most of the agents were leaving in the middle of the investigation, certainly was a signal to us that they weren‘t being allowed access.

SCARBOROUGH: Now, Paul, you have also, of course, had—what are they? EquuSearch, I think it is. EquuSearch has been involved in this. They are out of Texas. They went down there. I have also been getting reports out of Washington today that they have been frustrated, that they haven‘t been given all the resources that they needed. What can you tell us about that search? Are they getting frustrated? And are they about to come home because the Dutch authorities are standing in the way?

REYNOLDS: I haven‘t actually heard those reports.

But in seeing the past activity, that would not surprise me at all. Every aspect of this investigation has been delayed and postponed, and, you know, it‘s just not effective.

SCARBOROUGH: Can you tell me, Paul, how angry the family is tonight with the Dutch authorities? And do you think the real problem here lies with the Dutch authorities, as I have been told today from all my sources in Washington, D.C., or is it with the Aruban authorities?

REYNOLDS: It‘s hard for us to differentiate, but certainly we can see that Aruba is not cooperating.

I saw in one of the local newspapers today that they are forming a committee to protect the image of Aruba. I don‘t think their priority is appropriate here.

SCARBOROUGH: We don‘t think it is, Paul. Thank you for being with us. Paul Reynolds, as always, we greatly appreciate it. And thank you so much for all the hard work you are doing. We are going to continue reporting on this.

Friends, let me tell you something. This is an incestuous investigation. That‘s what Washington officials are saying. I have got to tell you, it‘s so obvious. You look at this. You have the Dutch government. And I was told—another source told me today, if you really want to know what‘s going on in Aruba, if you want to understand why we can‘t get to the bottom of anything, you know what? You can‘t search for answers in Aruba. You have got to follow it, follow that trail all the way over to the Netherlands, because that‘s where the real power of this investigation is.

And they are the ones that many in Washington, D.C., believe are covering up this investigation. We are also hearing that, obviously, from agents in Aruba.

Now, we are going to be back live in Aruba for more on the Natalee Holloway case. We are going to have Natalee‘s aunt, Linda Allison. She will be here to join us about the family‘s struggle just to get the facts and to keep the investigation going. We are going to be asking for her reaction to today‘s developments.

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SCARBOROUGH: Growing anger among U.S. officials that there may be a cover-up going on in Aruba in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. We will have that report and much more when this special edition of SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY continues.

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SCARBOROUGH: While the search for Natalee continues, the questions remain. Are the authorities in Aruba doing everything they can to resolve this case in the mad search for Natalee Holloway? Are they keeping information from the FBI and Natalee‘s family?

With us now live from Aruba, Arlene Ellis-Schipper. She‘s an attorney down there.

Arlene, thank you so much for being with us.

You know, there‘s growing anger in America over what many consider in Washington, D.C., to be a cover-up. But there also seems to be growing anger in Aruba. Yesterday, you have the prosecutor come—coming out and delivering a somewhat harsh attack on the father. What is going on down there? Is there a growing impatience with this investigation, with the judicial system?

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well, first of all, Aruba‘s reputation is on the line here. Aruba has absolutely nothing to gain by covering up anything. So, I am sure that it‘s not happening.

Frustration? I think on all parties have frustration about this case. We all want this case resolved as much as possible as you do. So, I think you are right that there‘s frustration both on the camp of the prosecution office and in the states, yes.

SCARBOROUGH: You know, I talked to law enforcement officers in America and Washington, D.C., today. What they told me was that, when they talked to the prime minister, the prime minister was saying that this investigation is being run out of the Netherlands. When they talk to Dutch authorities, they say, no, no, it‘s an Aruban investigation. Help us out here.

Who is in charge of this police investigation? Is it the Aruban prime minister, that government, or is it the Dutch government?

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: No.

Aruba, like any other country in Europe, has a division of powers. We have what we called by Montesquieu the trias politica. We have the executive power. We have the legislative power. And we have the judicial power. The judicial power includes the police and the prosecutor. They lead the investigation.

Now, what was the minister, president, referring to is the Dutch

Marines. If you want help of the Dutch Marines, that is something of the

Dutch government, because, as you know, Aruban—Aruba is part of the

kingdom of Holland. And our defense, including the Dutch Marines, is run

by the Dutch government.

SCARBOROUGH: OK. So, the Dutch are in charge of the investigation.

What can you tell us about the...

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ELLIS-SCHIPPER: No, no, no, no, no, no. I‘m—I‘m sorry.

SCARBOROUGH: Go ahead.

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: The Dutch are not in charge of the investigation. I am saying the judicial power in Aruba, including the police and the prosecution, those are in charge of the investigation.

SCARBOROUGH: OK.

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: If you want help from Dutch Marines, that is Dutch.

SCARBOROUGH: OK. Well, that—I will tell you what. That clarifies something that goes against what I heard today from a law enforcement official.

What can you tell us about the Dutch Marines? Do they usually like to go it alone, or do you—can you give us any insight as to why the FBI may not be able to help as actively in this investigation as they would like? Would it be unprecedented in Aruba for the FBI or a foreign investigative agency to come in and take part in this type of investigation?

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Of course it‘s unprecedented, like it would be in the U.S. for a foreign country to take part in an investigation.

The FBI simply doesn‘t have jurisdiction in Aruba, as the Aruban authorities have, of course. The FBI has an advisory role in this part—in this—in this country.

SCARBOROUGH: All right.

Arlene, thank you so much. We greatly appreciate your insights and shining a light on some of these questions we have. As always, we appreciate you being with us.

Now let‘s bring in former FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt.

You know what, Clint? I am just going to tell you the truth, OK?

CLINT VAN ZANDT, MSNBC ANALYST: Yes. Yes.

SCARBOROUGH: This young lady, she is an attorney. She doesn‘t represent the Aruban government. She doesn‘t represent Dutch authorities. I am not going to invite her on and beat her up. She can‘t answer for them, but I can tell you what I learned today. I learned the FBI is mad as hell. They are being shut out. They are swearing. They are saying, we are not being allowed to do anything.

And I am also hearing from Washington officials that this is an incestuous investigation, that everybody knows everybody down there, and Americans are being kept at an arm‘s length. I tell you what, something smells in Aruba. What do we do? What can the FBI do tonight?

VAN ZANDT: Well, Joe, every time as an FBI agent that I have been in a foreign country, it‘s somewhere between, “Go into a hotel room; stay there; if we have anything to tell you, we‘ll tell you; otherwise, don‘t leave the hotel room,” to, “Get your gun and come with us; we are going out to arrest terrorists, and you are part of the team.”

So, every country is going to do it different. As your last guest suggested, it may be unprecedented in Aruba, but there are a lot of countries that would at least allow FBI agents to physically sit in the same room and be part of the actual interview team that‘s interviewing the suspects. In this case, the Aruban authorities said, no, best-case scenario, FBI, sit in another room, watch it on closed-circuit television. It‘s our country. We‘ll tell you what we can do and can‘t do.

That‘s why you see the FBI team has been reduced.

SCARBOROUGH: Hey, Clint, though—hey, Clint.

VAN ZANDT: Yes. Yes.

SCARBOROUGH: Listen, man, this is like Disneyland down there. They had one homicide last year, and they are telling the Federal Bureau of Investigation, thanks guys, but no thanks. We don‘t need your help.

Come on. I bet there were more murders at Disneyland last year than in Aruba.

VAN ZANDT: Well, you know, Joe...

SCARBOROUGH: So, what do you do if you are an FBI agent and you know it‘s an incestuous relationship down there, you know there‘s a cover-up going on? What do you do?

VAN ZANDT: Well, you got a couple of choices.

One, you could go in and get everybody upset, and they expect you are going to come in with the big FBI boots on, and they are not going to let you do it. Otherwise, you kind of finesse your way in. The finessing hasn‘t worked. That‘s why you see the team from about a dozen agents down to one or two agents, because I don‘t think the FBI is going to sit there and pretend they are doing something, when the Arubans are not allowing them to do it.

And, Joe, Joe, we are 30 days behind. Things could have been, should have been, would have been done, you know, you can‘t back that train up. So, the Arubans, if they solve it, good. If they don‘t, they got to take the hit on this one.

SCARBOROUGH: Again, you know, I talked to somebody in—up in Washington today, another person who told me that everybody is trying to protect everybody‘s friend.

Well, Clint, you talked about 30 days passing by, nothing getting done, all of these mistakes happening, these boys being released for 11 days, the father being allowed to stay away for, what, three weeks?

VAN ZANDT: Yes.

SCARBOROUGH: I mean, let‘s face it. Give me—give me—you have done this your entire life. Give me your professional advice. If these officials had wanted to botch this investigation, if they wanted to protect a friend‘s son, if they wanted to stop Natalee from ever being found, could they have planned it any better than these Aruban authorities have planned it?

VAN ZANDT: I hear what you are saying, and I would like to heap coals on their head, Joe.

But I think part of it is just the lack of experience. And Arubans are proud of that. They will say, we are proud that we don‘t work homicide cases, like FBI agents and NYPD does. But the flip side of that is that, when they do an interview, they say, OK, what do you have to say? Thank you very much. Close the notebook and walk out, where the FBI is ready to play good cop/bad cop, ready to psych them out, ready to play their words against each other.

They don‘t do it like we do in our league, Joe. It‘s a while ‘nother country, and that‘s part of it.

SCARBOROUGH: It‘s...

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VAN ZANDT: It is another country. And they do it different.

SCARBOROUGH: It‘s minor leagues, Clint. It‘s minor leagues.

Clint, as always, thanks for being with us and helping us understand what‘s going on in this case. We really appreciate it.

VAN ZANDT: Thanks, Joe.

SCARBOROUGH: Now, let‘s go back live to Aruba. I want to talk to Natalee‘s aunt once again, Linda Allison.

Linda, thank you for being with us tonight.

Obviously, you have got a United States senator, you‘ve got secretary of state, you‘ve got a lot of law enforcement officers very angry about what‘s going on down there in Aruba. Tell me, why did you all get the United States Senate involved?

LINDA ALLISON, AUNT OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, I think, obviously, the more voices that are being heard throughout the United States, that that just helps us in our case of not knowing anything. And this has gone on for 30 days and we still don‘t know anything from the day one that we were here.

SCARBOROUGH: Are the Dutch officials covering up this investigation, covering up the facts on what really happened to Natalee?

ALLISON: It would be hard for me to speculate at this time. The Dutch law is so different than it is in the United States.

And, of course, the FBI are not considered to be part of the investigation, only an advisory role. And what I understand with the prosecuting attorney‘s office is that they play a few cards. This is like a poker game, so that, when they hold the three suspects, in order for them to hold them, detain them longer, they just allow as little information as possible, only because they don‘t want the defense—the defense attorneys to be able to have time to react to the information that they do have once it comes to trial.

SCARBOROUGH: All right, Linda, let‘s hope that‘s the case.

Stay with us, Linda. I want to talk about the FBI. I also want to talk about the ongoing search, but we have to go to a quick break.

Coming up, they were taken hostage in 1979. Now, 30 years later, they say one of their captors is the new president of Iran, yes, the same president who wants to bring nukes to that country.

We‘ll be right back in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY in a minute.

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SCARBOROUGH: We are going to be going back to Aruba in one minute to continue with Natalee‘s aunt. That‘s next.

Also, heartless thieves with a pick of the litter stealing a dozen helpless puppies, it‘s all caught on tape. That story also coming up.

But, first, here‘s the latest news that you and your family need to know.

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SCARBOROUGH: A solemn prayer walk this morning in Aruba, as family and friends mark one month since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Let‘s go back to Aruba and talk to Natalee‘s aunt, Linda Allison.

Linda, I want to ask you about a strong statement Senator Shelby put in his letter to Condoleezza Rice, our secretary of state. He said the investigation is in Aruba is—quote—“at a dead end,” and that‘s why he said the FBI needs to be brought in. Do you agree with that assessment?

ALLISON: I would tend to agree, because we are 30 days into this investigation, and we still don‘t have information.

And, if they truly do not have homicide, if that is what this case is going to be, they should have contacted the Dutch government in the very beginning. If they don‘t have the experience here on the island to handle this case.

SCARBOROUGH: Linda, final question. What can we in America do tonight? Do you want us to write our senators, our congressmen, our president? How can we help you?

ALLISON: Well, obviously, any voice out there would be helpful in any way.

I do know, on another note, that the prime minister‘s office has been in contact with me since Sunday evening. And I made a specific request for us to utilize the Dutch Marines with the EquuSearch group. They told me yesterday afternoon they had completed the paperwork, and all of that type of information was completed, and that the—it was just a matter of getting the logistics of the Dutch Marines out.

And then we learned this afternoon, after making a few phone calls, that the police chief is actually the one who can activate the Marines because of the way, again, the governmental structure is here. The prime minister doesn‘t have control over the Dutch Marines. It‘s actually the police authorities. So, they actually were activated this morning by van Straaten, and not to any of our knowledge.

And I don‘t know why they chose not to start doing an additional search with the Dutch Marines, after we had requested that the Dutch Marines be working with EquuSearch. So, there‘s a lot of miscommunication going on here.

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SCARBOROUGH: A lot of miscommunication, a lot of unanswered questions, and it all adds up to a tragedy.

Linda, thanks again for being with us in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY. And, again, we are behind the family. We will continue praying for you and also for Natalee.

ALLISON: Thank you so much.

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Fewer passengers in second quarter

ARUBA – Compared to the second quarter of last year, 5 percent less people traveled via the airport of Aruba, but the number of flights increased with 11 percent.

Compared with last year, the drop in passengers in the first six months of this year was 9 percent and the number of flights increased with 4 percent. The number of passengers from the US dropped with 11.5 percent and from Europe with 11.5 percent. The number of passengers from Colombia increased with 14.3 percent and from the Neth.Antilles with 9.6 percent.

Aruba Airport Authority (AAA) indicated that the increase of the number of flights is especially attributed to the increasing number of private-planes via General Aviation. Compared with the second quarter of 2005, the number of private airplanes increased with 74 percent.

Other reasons for the increased number of flights are that Arkefly increased her flights from Amsterdam, Continental from La Guardia, and Avianca and DAE that also increased their number of flights. Also the launching of Tiara is noticeable in the figures.

Airline Company JetBlue announced that effective September 16th, it will start daily flights from New York’s John F. Kennedy Airport. AAA hopes that with this airlink, more tourists will come to Aruba this fall.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Continental from La Guardia,
Airline Company JetBlue announced that effective September 16th, it will start daily flights from New York’s John F. Kennedy Airport.