Natalee Holloway Extended Discussion Thread 20

On May 30, Paulus told Beth, Jug and friends (at least 5 people) that he picked up Joran at 4 am - Beth has this written in her diary.
When his statement was transcribed it comes back as 10 pm the night of the 29th. Paulus's statement has always been that he and Joran went to poker tournament. He was losing, turned his hand to Joran and went home. Joran called and Paulus picked up at McDonalds. Beth has recorded all people, phone numbers, everything about the case. All (Beth, Jug, friends hear 4 am).

This was the one that amazed me because isn't this the supposed reason he was detained in in the first place. Changing times from 4:00 AM to 11:00. Now it is 10:00. No wonder he will win his wrongful detainment suit.....

I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays quotes are from an interview on the

10-27-05 Rita Cosby Live and Direct
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9849849/

And now we‘re going to move on to the case in Aruba. Now to new details out of there in the search for a missing teen, Natalee Holloway. The Aruban deputy police chief has just wrapped up a closed-door meeting with the FBI.

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Chief, thank you. First of all, how did the meeting go? And how long was the meeting with the FBI?
GEROLD DOMPIG, DEPUTY POLICY CHIEF OF ARUBA: Well, it was a great meeting. And basically, I can say, even though we butted heads a couple of times, but we basically renewed our vows to work together. And we sat for, I think, a little over five hours, but it was a great meeting.

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COSBY: What‘s the next step, Chief, in terms of who you want to interview next and where you‘re headed?

DOMPIG: Well, we‘re still looking at the same scenarios. And we‘re pretty much, you would say, encouraged by the fact that the main scenario where we still look at these three boys is also the scenario that the FBI believes that we are on the right track.

COSBY: Is there a possibility she may have run away? Can you exclude that?

DOMPIG: No, not at all, because you have to keep an open mind, of course. But don‘t forget that, if we look at the statements from especially Joran, I have received today an overview of all the several moments where he has basically lied. And that‘s a lot.

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COSBY: You also want to talk to some of the girls who were with Natalee. Where does that stand? And are you planning to maybe come to the states to do that?

DOMPIG: Well, we discussed that. We‘re looking at that right now and in what way we can process that. Don‘t forget that there‘s been about 120 teens in the Holiday hotel. So we need to make an assessment of which ones we want to talk to, which questions we haven‘t asked them yet, and try to get it done with the help of the FBI.

COSBY: Do you believe that you‘ll be coming to the states soon possibly, Chief?

DOMPIG: Well, I hope I‘m safe coming to the states, because there‘s a couple of people that are not really pleased with the work that we‘ve done. But, if the time is there, I‘ll be glad to come.

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COSBY: Where does it stand with, you know, these key folks, Deepak, Satish and Joran? Do you believe you‘re going to have to be calling them in soon again for questioning?

DOMPIG: Well, I hope so, because they‘re still our main focus. And don‘t forget that we want to make sure that—because these boys have, like, eight, nine lawyers, so we want to make sure that, when we call them in, that we‘re absolutely sure that we have enough basis to call them in.

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COSBY: Now, I know, Chief, a lot of the focus was obviously on that taped interview done for Dr. Phil‘s show by Jamie Skeeters‘ with Deepak. Do you believe—you have the tape now. Where do they stand, in terms of analysis? And do you believe—you were telling me that you thought there may be some discrepancies?

DOMPIG: Yes. But because we just want to make sure that these discrepancies are maybe in the transcriptions that were made, but we‘re going to get there soon and I think at a place where we feel comfortable, and maybe even with the legal assistance through the FBI try to get the original version that would be on the hard disk of Jamie Skeeters.

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COSBY: And also, real quick, Chief, I know that there‘s sort of a renewed search, from what we heard, at the lighthouse, also the fisherman‘s hut, two of the sort of the key areas there in Aruba. Is there anything, any new evidence to sort of suggest that they should start those searches there again?

DOMPIG: No, no, no. I regret to say no. We‘re still looking in the ocean. And don‘t forget that, by this time, we‘re not looking for a body anymore. But basically, if a body was dropped there, you‘re talking about bones.

COSBY: And you believe there may still be some bones or something there, real quick?

DOMPIG: I hope so.

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Jug, let me start with you, because the chief sounded very optimistic, sounded very focused after his meeting with the FBI. That‘s got to be optimistic for you.

GEORGE “JUG” TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: It is optimistic. I hope—you know, Gerold was very instrumental in the beginning of the investigation. I felt like the second day or third day down there he was on top of it. And hopefully, you know, we‘ll find something out.

COSBY: Do you get a sense, Jug, that there‘s sort of renewed energy? He also seemed, after the meeting with the FBI, that they both seem to be on the same track, seem to be working together, five-hour meeting. That‘s got to be a good sign, right?

TWITTY: I hope so. I hope that the FBI will call Beth in the morning, and tell her what the meeting was about and, hopefully, give her some hope that they are going in the right direction.

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COSBY: You know, Jamie, he was talking about some of the discrepancies with the tape, saying that it was hard to hear some of the things. I know that he‘s sending the tapes to Holland, also checking with the FBI.

You did these recordings. Is that normal for them to be some discrepancies, and it just takes sort of enhancement?

JAMIE SKEETERS, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Yes, Rita. What I heard Gerold make a statement that he didn‘t trust the tapes, there was a couple of red flags.

Gerold and I, we communicate frequently. And I‘m very pleased with the way he‘s handling this. But naturally I was concerned what his red flags were. And he indicated it wasn‘t the credibility of the tapes.

It‘s just that I downloaded from my hard drive on a disc and gave it to the Dr. Phil show. They in turn downloaded that to VCRs. Now, he received VCRs and received my disc, and the disc is much more clearer than the VCRs.

And that was only the only discrepancy, plus the transcripts—when I do homicides and other cases, I do my own transcripts, because it‘s difficult for a secretary to try to interpret what I said depending on background noise.

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COSBY: OK. So you‘re not going to go with her, unfortunately?

TWITTY: No, I‘m not going with Beth. Paul is going with her.

I hope, Rita, the one thing that really infuriates me is that I hear, you know, the rumors that Paulus Van Der Sloot is trying to get back into his job in the government.

And if the government of Aruba, the people of Aruba, let this man back into a government position, I think it‘s a terrible thing. The guy‘s—he‘s a pitiful excuse of a human being. And he does not deserve to be representing the—or being in the government in Aruba.

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And also from a from 6-07-05 All Headline News Report

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/cgi-bin/news/newsbrief.plx?id=2236315410&fa=1

Suspects In Aruba Case Known To Police
June 7, 2005 11:05 a.m. EST

Hector Duarte Jr. - All Headline News Staff Reporter

Oranjestad, Aruba (AHN) - A police officer tells The Associated Press the two men charged with the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teen who went missing in Aruba over a week ago, are known by police for going around to hotels, attempting to pick up women and asking people for cigarettes. Authorities also reveal one of the men had a previous run-in with authorities.

The two suspects lost their jobs at a hotel, about two blocks from The Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying, after their work contracts expired.

The officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, said several locals told police the men had a habit of combing hotels and talking to female tourists; one of the men had a previous run-in with the law, but the officer clarifies it was not a violent or sexual offense.

To read the rest

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Scared Monkeys is reporting that Aruba tourism is down again for January and February 2006. When will these people wake up and realize why? Maybe they do know why, but don't care.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/10/aruban-tourism-different-month-same-results-february-march-down-significantly/

I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.

Todays quotes are from an interview on the

7-15-2005 Nancy Grace
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SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT:
However, something rather curious. I`m hearing from a law enforcement source close to the investigation that the FBI, who has been there from the start at the invitation of Aruban authorities -- FBI has been asking for access to interviews, to evidence, to various materials that have been gathered along the way, has asked for it on more than one occasion.

And yet, they have been denied access to that information for review, as it`s been explained to me, give it some fresh perspective, for example.
Also, I`ve learned, according to the same source close to the investigation, that, for example, the FBI has provided a profiler along the way, as has the Dutch, and has given advice, among other things, on how to interview, for example, Joran Van Der Sloot, the 17-year-old son of the judge, and certain techniques.
That advice, I`m told, has not been accepted or utilized by the FBI. Now, how do we know this? Well, we know that the FBI has been allowed to observe interr ogations and interviews. They have been able to observe searches. Primarily, they`re not -- I`ve been told not been able to enter residences, participate in the arrests, which is probably not surprising.
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GRACE: Susan, Susan, Susan, hold on. Take a look at the monitor, if you can see it, Susan. I`m not an FBI agent, but I know this much. You don`t handcuff two co-defendants together that you`re trying to keep separate so they gel their stories perfectly.

Speaking of the way the defendants are treated, there`s a perfect example for the whole world to see.
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CANDIOTTI: CANDIOTTI: Well, certainly, you`ve had comments on that leading up to this, because you`ve seen this for quite some time now. And there are those who obviously don`t agree with that way of doing things.
But you know, we`ve talked to a spokesperson for the government. We`ve talked to, and perhaps more importantly, a spokesperson for the prosecutor`s office to try to get a response to this. And they are stressing only the cooperation, which no one disputes that there is a rapport that they`re working together.
But we couldn`t get a clear-cut answer on why it is that the FBI has not been provided access to review these materials, other than, "Well, we discuss things, and we decided not to." And also, they`ve been told that they can`t have access to it because, as I understand it, the local rules do not permit it.
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GRACE: Speaking of diving, also, Susan Candiotti, I understand there were divers near the Marriott Hotel today?

CANDIOTTI: Well, my information is that -- and perhaps your guest there from the Texas company can confirm this -- that a barrel was found floating somewhat near the Marriott. And it was brought to the attention of the authorities -- I`m told the FBI was also made aware of this -- but went nowhere.
It was described to me as being highly corroded, and had some old cement in it. I am told that on the island there is an old oil refinery. So it`s not uncommon to find these barrels floating around. In fact, it was suggested it might have even been an old buoy from the area. Bu that went nowhere.
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GRACE: Let me go to Natalee`s mother. Beth Holloway Twitty is with us tonight. As you can see, she is not giving up on the search for her daughter. She`s handing out there handing out flyers, she`s appearing on TV practically on a nightly basis, begging for help regarding her daughter.
Ms. Twitty, thank you for being with us. What do you make of inviting the FBI down to help and then giving them the cold shoulder, not sharing any files, not letting them help with questioning of any of the suspects?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: You know, Nancy, it`s really difficult for me to comment on that and to speak, you know, on behalf of the FBI. You know, I know there are some areas that we`ve been concerned about.
And, you know, as far as denied certain participation in it, you know, Nancy, I`m just going to have to let them address that. I just cannot get involved in that.
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GRACE: You know what, Ms. -- Beth Holloway Twitty is with us tonight. It`s Natalee`s mother. She spoke out against the release of the Kalpoe brothers. After that, she was basically attacked by some of the Aruban people verbally, of course, demanding an apology, decrying her.
Ms. Twitty, I thought that that was entirely wrong, but I respect what you did, making that apology. I know you want to keep it smooth with the people in Aruba to continue getting their cooperation.

TWITTY: Well, Nancy, you know, my heart does go out to the Aruban citizens. And I realize -- you know, as I`m watching that barrel being extracted from the beach today, this is just an all-around just tragic and terrible ordeal that we are all going through.
And, you know, I think at that point, there was just such a huge frustration level for myself and for everyone involved, I just think that that was just probably inevitable that that was going to happen. And, you know, it`s just -- it`s been so difficult, Nancy.
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GRACE: I want to go to Tim Miller with EquuSearch. He`s there on his own dime, still looking for Natalee Holloway. Tim Miller, could you tell us where the search is headed now?

TIM MILLER, EQUUSEARCH WORKER: Well, you know what? We`ve covered a lot of stuff, Nancy. The barrel today was something that information was given out to, and Natalee`s dad asked to us check that out.
I think the authorities were notified a couple days ago. And so we went and checked it out. And we spent about three hours on that thing getting it in. It wasn`t floating, by no means. I mean, it was at the bottom. It was nearly all the way under the water.
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GRACE: Tim, are Aruban authorities helping in your search?

MILLER: You know what? We`ve not had any problems with them. They have helped us. You know, as far as the Marines coming and us working together and stuff like that, that did not happen. I think we`re getting as much support from them as we can get. I mean, nobody knows...

GRACE: But what are they doing? What are they doing to help you?

MILLER: They`ve given us areas that they wanted us to search. They`ve given us some information, and they always say, "The area I`m sending you to is part of the investigation."

GRACE: So that`s how they`ve helped you, by telling you where to go search?

MILLER: Yes, they`ve told us -- yes, they`ve told us where to search.
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GRACE: Very quickly back to Beth Holloway Twitty, Natalee`s mother, when you first saw Joran Van Der Sloot`s father, the so-called judge there in Aruba, what happened?

TWITTY: You know, the first night that I was -- I wouldn`t called it had a meeting with him, but that was in his presence, was on May 31st around 3:00 a.m. And we didn`t have a conversation at that time. He only approached the vehicle that I was seated in.
The first time we had a conversation, of course, was when I went to his home and spent 90 minutes there. And, you know, Nancy, the one thing that I would wish for is that he would step up, and step up, and we`ve had this -- we had a great investigative tool here, this voice analysis system.
It would have just been a huge burden relieved of him if he would have stepped forward, had this voice analysis done. And you know, we wouldn`t still be where we are, we feel, if he would have done that. And that always saddens me that he couldn`t do that. < /DIV>
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GRACE: Well, Beth, have any of these people agreed to take a polygraph to clear themselves?

TWITTY: Absolutely not, to my knowledge, Nancy. And that would really, I think, help. I know it`s not admissible in court, but you know, it would certainly be an excellent investigative tool. And I cannot see why we did not utilize it.
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BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I would like to apologize to the Aruban people and the Aruban authorities if I or my family offended you in any way. It was never my intention to do so. And as the Aruban people, they have been extremely kind and generous and especially supportive of myself and my family during this tragedy.
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GRACE: That is Natalee Holloway`s mother. She has been in Aruba since her daughter went missing, fighting every day to bring her girl home, to find her. When she criticized part of the investigation, she was attacked verbally there in Aruba.
She`s there everyday looking house-to-house, literally looking for her daughter, and then had to give that apology to Aruban citizens.
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GRACE: Aruban tourism. .

CANDIOTTI: The effect on it?

GRACE: Yes.

CANDIOTTI: Well, according to them down there, they seem to -- I think by showing, by putting their best foot forward, to show that they`re trying to find Natalee, there is the hope that there will not have -- there will not be a detrimental effect on tourism.
I certainly -- we still hear about people going down there. We`re not hearing of anyone canceling their plans for their trips. I`m sure that may be happening. But overall, I think they feel as though, because they are trying to show the world that they`re trying to do the best they can to find her, that there won`t be any ill effect.
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GRACE: GRACE: Alan Ripka, let`s get real, all right? You`re on the other side of the fence from me. There`s no two ways about it, you and Lisa Wayne. You`re defense lawyers; I`m a former prosecutor
But let`s just look at the way this investigation has gone, all right? There was an alleged confession, and they said no, that didn`t happen. Then they said that they had found blood in -- blood, possibly Natalee`s. No, it turned out to be a dog`s blood.
Today, we learned they found bones. Guess what? It was a donkey`s bones. They didn`t seize the car Natalee had been in. They lost precious time. They are not getting records from cell phones, doing wire taps, nothing. It`s been one bungle after the next, Alan.
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GRACE: Is it true, Susan Candiotti, reports came to the states that Van Der Sloot`s father said, "No body, no case"?

CANDIOTTI: Yes, I mean, that`s what we`re hearing from our sources and have heard that for quite some time now repeatedly. Remember, they had that time period where they hadn`t been picked up.
So there would have been an opportunity for the father to get together with his son, naturally, and the Kalpoe brothers to have a discussion.
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GRACE: There he is, Susan.

CANDIOTTI: And that`s what we have heard was said.

GRACE: That`s really a better shot of his rear end, as I always say, because he runs whenever anybody asks him a question.
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GRACE: Beth Holloway Twitty, I think Susan`s right. What do you know of the judge telling his son, "No body, no case"?

TWITTY: You know, I think that I had heard that -- I think that came off maybe a Dutch television program. I`m not certain of that, Nancy.
But, of course, that is a huge concern of mine, because I go back to the beginning of the investigation. And, you know, I think of what the -- all four of the individuals are involved in, when you`re involved in obstruction of justice, and lying to authorities, and implicating innocent people. I mean, I certainly wish those were enforceable laws to some degree, because I feel that all four of those were occurring early on.
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Do you know if there is any sort of time frame in which the New York judge must rule on Kelly's civil case? I realize the judge taking time to come to a decision is a good sign for Beth and Dave, but the judge seems to be taking a very long time! Keeping Natalee in the news is difficult when there is nothing to report about the case. I keep praying for justice.

Do you know if there is any sort of time frame in which the New York judge must rule on Kelly's civil case?

There is no time frame. The judge can take as little or as much time as she feels necessary.

bkmk

mark

i am having a difficult time getting dave holloway's book for library distribution (which we have done here on several other occassions, for other reasons)...i am getting no response from the publisher and so am open to other suggestions or methods of getting a case of these books, if anyone has any ideas

I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays quotes are from an interview on

11-14-05 Rita Cosby Live

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COSBY: And tonight: The father of the key suspect in the Natalee Holloway case is off the hook, but some people believe he should not be eliminated as a suspect. And our next guest says he may soon have some proof. Late Friday, an Aruban judge said Paul Van Der Sloot is no longer a suspect in the search for the Alabama teen. In fact, Paul Van Der Sloot could even receive damages from the government of Aruba after being held for three days in an Aruban jail.

Joining me now is private investigator T.J. Ward, who has been working hard on this case. T.J., why do you think they sort of let him off the hook too soon?

T.J. WARD, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Well, we really don‘t know. We‘ve been running a parallel investigation after finishing up our assignment with the Holloway-Twitty family in August and returned to Atlanta, and we have incorporated several retired FBI agents through my associate, Harold Phipps, with the Norcross (ph) Group. We sent an e-mail out and got a great response with about 12 federal agents who are familiar with the area down there, who‘s assisting us, and information that we have that he‘s directly involved with this investigation. And we‘re sorry to see that the Aruban government has let him off the hook at this time.

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COSBY: Now, is this information that the Aruban government has, as well, you believe?

WARD: I don‘t believe they have this information. Or if they do, they‘ve got some other source or plan or direction they‘re going in. But the information that we‘re receiving and in the case that we are building all the way from the beginning of us being in Aruba in June, ties Paulus Van Der Sloot directly involved in this case.

COSBY: And T.J., how credible do you believe this information is?

And is it witnesses? Is it evidence? Is it a combination?

WARD: There‘s witnesses and interviews that we‘ve done and information that we have received, most recently as last week, that gives us information that he—there‘s a possibility, a very strong possibility, that he‘s involved.

COSBY: When do you think that all these pieces are going to come together for what you‘re look at T.J.?

WARD: Well, probably within the next month, we will have some good

solid information, and go forth and go public with it, and then we will

turn our information over to the Aruba Government and the FBI

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COSBY: Are the indications that you are getting that he may have played a role in the crime, the cover up or which aspect?

WARD: We think he has played a role in the cover up of her disappearance.

COSBY: How strong do you also still believe that the three boys played a role too from everything that you are getting?

WARD: We believe the boys are directly involved. And again, our theory is that something happened to Natalee, either where she stopped breathing, had a heart attack or whatever.

And in the course of that happening, we think Paul Van der Sloot played a part in the after effect of that in the removal and concealing of Natalee Holloway.

COSBY: Do you believe, real quick T.J., that what you have, could blow this wide open?

WARD: Yes, I do.

COSBY: And you think maybe within a month?

WARD: I would say within the next 30 days, we should have some good solid information that we will be able to go public with it.

COSBY: All right, T.J. please keep us posted. Thank you very much.

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I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.
These quotes are from an interview on

11-03-05 Rita Cosby Live and Direct

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9923468/

And those explosive comments that you heard from Dr. Phil about Natalee maybe being in the sex trade come on the same day that Natalee's mom, Beth Holloway Twitty, meets with Aruban officials. On the phone tonight from Aruba is Helen LeJuez. She's the attorney who's representing Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty.

Helen, first of all, what do you make of these comments that Natalee may be alive and in some sex trade?

HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I hope they're not true.

COSBY: You do, but what about the fact that maybe this is a good sign that she may be alive?

LEJUEZ: Well, the fact that she is alive, I hope that. That could be true. But, well, people talk about this, but we have not heard about these things happening in Aruba.

COSBY: Does the family put any credence in this comment from Dr.

Phil?

LEJUEZ: I didn't hear your question. Could you speak...

COSBY: Does the family put any credence—do they think that this could be possible, what Dr. Phil is saying?

LEJUEZ: Not to my knowledge.

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COSBY: Not from your knowledge. I want to show a comment, if I could, Helen. This is from Chief Dompig. We had him on our show exclusively last night. And I want to get you to react. This is the chief.

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GEROLD DOMPIG, DEPUTY POLICY CHIEF OF ARUBA: I still believe that these boys have been lying. They're still lying. And everybody knows that by now. So there's no doubt in my mind that they know something, they're guilty of something.

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COSBY: Helen, what's the reaction from the family? The chief even—

I asked him—he said to me on the phone, “They are guilty as hell. I just have to prove it.”

That's a pretty strong comment from the chief. Where do you see the investigation at this point?

LEJUEZ: Well, that is a strong comment. And if that is true, and if they can prove what the chief is saying, then these boys will be behind bars pretty soon. That's what I learn from what he said, and I hope that is true.

COSBY: Well, let's hope that's the case if, indeed, they are guilty.

Thank you very much, Helen. We appreciate it.

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And meanwhile, some interesting developments. Protesters took to the streets of Aruba today. Their target, a surprising one: Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty.

LIVE & DIRECT tonight is Jossy Mansur. He's the managing editor of Aruba's “Diario” newspaper.

Jossy, tell us about this protest. Why against Beth Twitty?

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”: Not against her personally, but it was against whatever negative publicity the island has been receiving because of this case. And a small portion of the island—it's not widespread on the island—but a small portion of the people are a little disgusted with this negative aspect of the case.

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COSBY: What is the mood there about, because Beth is there on the ground? How is she being received?

MANSUR: Well, I think good, because the majority of the people sympathize with her, sympathize with her cause. They know that she lost a daughter, that she is very interested in getting some answers as to where she is or what happened to her. But you always have—in any community, you have a small group of people that love to go to the streets and protest against anything.

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COSBY: You know, we were just seeing some pictures—those are the new pictures of her coming there. Jossy, what do you—you know this case so well. Do you put any stock, any credence to the new words from Dr. Phil saying that there may be some sex trade, that Natalee may be alive? Have you heard anything?

MANSUR: No, I don't believe so. I don't know where Dr. Phil got this information from. He must have some basis to say that.

We cannot rule out the possibility that she is still alive or that she is no longer alive. We don't have any hard evidence to prove any one of the two. But I think it's highly improbable that that is the case

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MANSUR: No, I don't believe so. I don't know where Dr. Phil got this information from. He must have some basis to say that.
We cannot rule out... But I think it's highly improbable that that is the case

Keeping Mansur to his own words,"He must have some basis to say that". What info does Mansur have that, for sure, Natalee is dead?

mark

nothing except his awareness that joran van der sloot confessed to this crime, although joran reportedly BLAMED DEEPAK, but rocket science is not required for this answer, especially in joran's case, although please move paulus to the top of the accessory list...freddie, too...all five should be in jail awaiting a trial, instead of hanging out at the clubs and casinos...freddie has become the most accessible and easiest target, if anyone is looking for one...and the nonsense that no one will ever know whether a withdrawal occurred at an ATM by paulus doesn't understand computers and bank records---whether anyone ever checks is an entirely different story

other than this, jossy has nothing to prove natalee holloway's death

Bookmark

I believe it would be beneficial to relook at some interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays interview is

6-29-2005 Abrams Report

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8416795/

ABRAMS: Hi everyone. First up on the docket tonight, she has the answers to the question everyone has been asking about the case of that missing Alabama teen, Natalee Holloway in Aruba. What evidence do they actually have against the various suspects? Are they even convinced a crime has been committed?

Well, only moments ago, Caren Janssen, chief prosecutor in the case sat down with our own Martin Savidge for her first interview. It‘s another exclusive. He joins us now with what Janssen revealed—Martin.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Good evening to you, Dan. There was a lot of information that was revealed. One of the things we should tell you is that Caren Janssen has been a prosecutor for 12 years. For a year and a half, she‘s been the chief prosecutor on the island of Aruba.

The moment you see her, you understand she is a no-nonsense individual. She had some ground rules and she told us quite clearly, we either follow them or we‘d be out of her office never to return again. The ground rules were fairly simple.

We got 15 minutes—that was it—and she had a statement to make initially. After that we could ask questions. Here was the end result.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CAREN JANSSEN, CHIEF PROSECUTOR IN ARUBA: We are basing our investigation on that possibility. So I can‘t answer your question positively because we have not found any traces of a crime. We are investigating that possibility.

SAVIDGE: And again, you seem to allude to it. You are working under the belief that she is dead, but you have not received anything to confirm that she is dead. Is that right?

JANSSEN: No. No, we can‘t confirm that because otherwise, we would have told the family first. But there are no traces, no facts, no circumstances that we can base the opinion that we are sure that Natalee is not alive anymore.

SAVIDGE: And you have not been told anything by the people in custody that...

SAVIDGE: ... she is dead?

JANSSEN: No. No. That‘s true. They didn‘t tell us that.

SAVIDGE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) I guess there was a feeling—there is a feeling...

JANSSEN: Yes.

SAVIDGE: ... that with the release of Mr. Van Der Sloot, Paul, with the release of Steven Croes, that the investigation has reached an impasse. I know you‘ve spoken about that...

JANSSEN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

SAVIDGE: ... but you seem to imply that actually no, things are moving along very well.

JANSSEN: Yes, I don‘t have that feeling that we are in the middle of an impasse or that we are at the end of a tunnel. I think positively because we have many questions, we have a lot of things we have to search for, and I think we are in a phase—an important phase in the investigation, a crucial phase, perhaps, by getting those technical information so we can make a timeline because it‘s not only the night of Sunday to Monday what is important but also the days after.

SAVIDGE: And these communications you speak of...

JANSSEN: Yes.

SAVIDGE: ... the messaging, the chatting...

SAVIDGE: ... this is what occurred between the three suspects?

JANSSEN: Also and others.

SAVIDGE: After Natalee vanished?

JANSSEN: Yes. Yes.

SAVIDGE: Have you actually been able to read or do you only understand that they communicated...

JANSSEN: No...

SAVIDGE: Do you know what they were saying?

JANSSEN: We have much more information than only that. I can‘t tell you the details about that. I only can say there‘s telephone, e-mail, chat sessions, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) messages and that‘s the sort of communication that we are investigating now. And it gives us a clear picture of where they were and how they communicate and what they said to each other.

SAVIDGE: One of the criticisms that has come from America is why did it take so long before the three young men, the last man...

JANSSEN: Yes.

SAVIDGE: ... to be with Natalee...

JANSSEN: Yes.

SAVIDGE: ... were taken into custody.

JANSSEN: Well that‘s an important question. I‘m glad you asked me that. Because everyone in my business knows that if you have a crime, and you do an investigation, and you have a certain moment that a person is coming to be a suspect, it‘s the worse thing you can do is run and arrest him because in one hour you don‘t have anything to speak about. Your—through your subjects what you can discuss, you have to investigate around him, have some information and then when you have a good solid base, you can go talk with somebody as a suspect.

SAVIDGE: Did you survey them? Did you follow them? Did you listen to their conversations? Clearly you were able to gather information.

JANSSEN: Yes. I can‘t tell you what we did in that time. But we spent it on building up the investigation, step by step.

SAVIDGE: The concern is that perhaps evidence was lost. That there was time for the suspects to dispose of what could have been evidence.

JANSSEN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) That‘s not my opinion. No.

SAVIDGE: OK. The father—let me see if you understood this correctly. You mentioned that there was harm done to the investigation from Mr. Van Der Sloot, Paul Van Der Sloot...

JANSSEN: Yes.

SAVIDGE: ... and you said the family. Are you referring to the Holloway family when they—could you just clarify what you said...

JANSSEN: Yes. OK. I said that the investigation was—I think you called it...

JANSSEN: ... harm or obstructed, by the fact that the father of the suspect, the minor, who has always been arrested but released...

SAVIDGE: What did the father do?

JANSSEN: Well, the father has spoken with those three suspects and he said he gave them some legal advice but I think the advices were going further than that. They spoke about the situation that when there is no body, you don‘t have a case, and that was already in the first day after the disappearance. And secondly, the father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran, the suspect—the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police. And that is, well, I can say was an obstruction of the investigation.

SAVIDGE: So both the Holloway family and the father in some way has...

JANSSEN: I‘m not talking about the Holloway family.

SAVIDGE: OK...

JANSSEN: No...

SAVIDGE: ... that‘s what I want to make sure...

JANSSEN: No, I‘m not talking about the Holloway family. I‘m talking about the family of the minor suspect, the suspect who is 17.

SAVIDGE: OK. The father spoke to the three young men prior to them being taken into custody and offered them some sort of legal advice...

JANSSEN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

SAVIDGE: ... including specifically saying if there is no body, how it would impact the investigation.

JANSSEN: They talked about that and he confirmed that...

JANSSEN: ... and they talked about that.

SAVIDGE: Seems a very damning thing to say...

JANSSEN: Well, you can take your own conclusion of that, but I can say that the investigation has shown and he confirms that, that is spoken to them. That was the conversation only a couple of days after the disappearance.

SAVIDGE: Do you consider the father a suspect or is it this obstruction or interference that you arrested him for?

JANSSEN: No, we did not arrest him for that interference situation. He was a suspect and the judge made his decision that there were insufficient grounds to make him a suspect.

SAVIDGE: And how did you feel when you heard that from the judge?

JANSSEN: Well, as always, a disappointment when you are running an investigation and one of your suspects is released, but it‘s not the end of the investigation and we are going, we are going further to solve this case and find the truth.

SAVIDGE: Do you think you will solve it?

JANSSEN: I hope it. I can‘t give you guarantees, but we are still determined and working all right.

SAVIDGE: The point that the father brought up in the conversation to the boys, if there is no body—and we have been searching all over this island for so long...

JANSSEN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

SAVIDGE: ... and searching in the water—what happens if there isn‘t a body? What happens if she is never found? Can you pursue this case?

JANSSEN: Well we are now in the middle of an investigation. Everybody is watching, the suspects also. So it wouldn‘t be wise to say anything about that possibility. We are focusing on the investigation. We are getting some information. We are doing it step by step. It takes not days, perhaps weeks, but we are concentrating on that.

SAVIDGE: But you know Dutch law. I mean you must know what is required as far as evidence and proof.

JANSSEN: Well, Dutch law is not so many different about—than the American system. Maybe when you go to court. In America, you have a jury trial and in the Dutch law, it is the judge who makes decision if somebody is guilty or not guilty. But to build up the evidence, I think it‘s not so different as in the states.

SAVIDGE: With the evidence you have today, would you feel confident going before a judge?

JANSSEN: We have a long way to go. We have still a long way to go.

SAVIDGE: That implies you may not have a lot.

JANSSEN: You must give me a chance.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SAVIDGE: And a chance is what she says she needs at this particular point. She said the reason she talked to us was she wanted Americans to see her face, to see her personality, to understand how committed she is to this particular case. There are 20 investigators from Aruba alone working on it in conjunction with the FBI and top investigators here from the Netherlands. She says that is the least that is due to the family of Natalee Holloway and to the American public to understand—Dan.

ABRAMS: All right, Martin, great job getting that interview. We‘re going to play more of Martin‘s interview coming up in our next block, more information coming from the chief prosecutor. But let me just summarize because we just heard a lot, a lot more than I would have expected this chief prosecutor would have said.

First of all no confession—none of the suspects, she says, have actually confessed to killing Natalee Holloway, number one. Number two:

That the three suspects, and others were e-mailing and texting each other and they now have those e-mails and text messages and they‘ve now obtained those e-mails and text messages. That‘s number two.

Number three: That the father of Joran Van Der Sloot, who was arrested and then released offered the three suspects legal advice and she said, but it was more than that. She had said to them—that he said to them when there‘s no body you don‘t have a case. But she also added that he was arrested not just for that, as we knew, but that he was arrested because he was a suspect in this case.

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ABRAMS: We‘re back with more of the exclusive interview with the top prosecutor in Aruba certainly making news. She‘s in charge of the Natalee Holloway investigation, the missing Alabama teen. Prosecutor Caren Janssen sat down with Martin Savidge. Martin is back with us—Martin.

SAVIDGE: Yes, one of the things that we talked about in this interview was you know the charges. And as you know the law, the setup here is a little bit different than it is in the United States. You are charged under suspicion or suspicion of a crime and they didn‘t want to talk specifically in the first week of the investigation as to what the charges were that they were contemplating. There was a reason for that and that‘s what Caren Janssen is talking about right now here.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JANSSEN: The prosecution did not express the charges, the public during the first week of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, more out of respect also for the family. We did not want to speak about murder and homicide because we did not want to hurt the feelings of that family unnecessarily and because in the early stage, they only want to find their girl alive.

At this stage of the investigation, we cannot exclude that something terrible maybe happened to Natalee. We are determined to find the truth, to find Natalee and in case somebody harmed her to find those who are responsible. The investigation has been hampered by the fact that the father had been instructing the three suspects with elementary aspects and the parents together, has been interviewing friends of their son about what he told to the police.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SAVIDGE: One of the other things that the prosecutor wanted to express and expressed very clearly was that we started talking about the frustration of the Holloway family, they‘ve been very vocal, especially in the past couple of days about how they feel this investigation is not going in a positive direction. And Caren Janssen said that she understood that frustration, that she could sympathize with their anger and she knew where it was coming from and that said quite frankly if the shoe were on the other foot, if she was in that predicament, she would feel the same frustrations.

But she has also met with them and again, one of the reasons she

granted this interview was to express not just to the Holloway family, but

to the American public that she personally is doing everything she can to -

· one—find Natalee Holloway, find those who are responsible and understand exactly what happened—Dan.

ABRAMS: All right. Martin Savidge, once again thank you very much for that exclusive interview out of Aruba.

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ABRAMS: Mr. Lejuez, have you been able to hear this interview with the prosecutor?

CHRIS LEJUEZ, ABRAHAM JONES‘ ATTORNEY: Most of it. Not all of it though.

ABRAMS: What do you make of this? Let me ask you as a legal matter in Aruba. It sounds like what the prosecutor is saying is, because the father spoke to the three suspects a couple days after Natalee disappeared, gave them advice, said to them where there‘s no body, there‘s no case and then they say that he and his wife interviewed the friend of their son to find out what their son had said to police. Is any of that illegal in Aruba?

LEJUEZ: It‘s not illegal, sir, but I would rather not comment regarding the ongoing investigation. There is one thing I will say something about. There is the fact that I heard the prosecutor say that she has no proof yet that a crime has been committed. This is something that I‘ve been saying all along right from the start.

We don‘t know yet if there has been a crime—if a crime has been committed. What we do have are suspicions that possibly a crime has been committed and based on these suspicions these people are being held apparently, sir.

ABRAMS: But does it sound to you—again and I‘m not asking about what you know about the case. I‘m asking you sort of just as someone who knows Aruban law. Are you allowed, as a lawyer in Aruba—I mean, here you‘re allowed to say to someone hey look, if there‘s no body, there‘s no crime, to give that advice. You‘re allowed to go and ask people questions about what someone said to the police, et cetera. It sounds like what the prosecutor is saying is that‘s an obstruction of justice.

LEJUEZ: I can tell you this sir, I heard (UNINTELLIGIBLE) last night on TV, on the Dutch television, where he mentioned that he did speak to the boys and he explained to them the criminal procedure in Aruba. That‘s the word he used. He explained to them the procedure.

ABRAMS: And based on what you‘ve heard the prosecutor say, does it sound to you like that‘s all he did?

LEJUEZ: I believe that the prosecutor is a serious person, would have reasons to state what she has stated. I cannot confirm it though.

ABRAMS: Yes. What about your client? What about the fact—your client and his friend, are they still possibly going to be called as witnesses?

LEJUEZ: The case against—they have been released but that doesn‘t mean that the case against them has been dropped as yet, so it‘s possible that they would want to hear them again either as witnesses or a suspect. Until the case is dropped, they‘re really in the clear in this case, sir.

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ABRAMS: Mr. Lejuez, what do you think of our analysis on this?LEJUEZ: I‘m sorry; did you speak to me sir?

ABRAMS: Yes, I was asking you what you thought of the analysis that we have just been going through about the father‘s role?

LEJUEZ: It‘s quite accurate. In Aruba you do have the right not to testify against your son or your father or mother or your grandchildren or your spouse. He waived that right apparently. It doesn‘t mean that you have the right to lie though. Once you waive the right, you have to tell the truth. And according to his own interview, he has been telling them about the procedures in Aruba. There‘s nothing wrong with that. Any father would do that. But I don‘t know if he has given them more specifics regarding the case itself. According to Mrs. Janssen, apparently he did...

ABRAMS: Yes...

LEJUEZ: I can‘t confirm that.

ABRAMS: All right, here‘s the sound again just so we‘re clear on exactly what she said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JANSSEN: The father has spoken with those three suspects and he said he gave them some legal advice, but I think the advices was going further than that. They spoke about the situation that when there is no body, you don‘t have a case and that was already in the first day after the disappearance. And secondly, the father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran, the suspect, the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police. That is, well, I can say, was an obstruction of the investigation.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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Diario Online

July 13, 2006

Joran Van Der Sloot also is preparing his book

Oranjestad (aan): Information received from Amsterdam indicates that the publishing house “Uitgeverij Sijthoff” purchased the exclusive rights to publish a book about the disappearance of the American student Natalee Holloway, due to the declaration of the Dutch suspect, Joran Van Der Sloot.

The journalist Zvezdana Vukojevic will write the book, that will be published in year 2007.

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Joran will give his vision (views) of the disappearance, and he will write the prologue. Joran is studying at the Netherlands.

The publishing house does not mention how much money Joran will be paid for his book here.

Dave Holloway, the biological father of Natalee wrote a book, that shows his opinion on the investigation and his opinion about Joran. The mother Beth Twitty also is preparing her book.

More about Joran's book, here: http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/

Boycott Aruba--Justice for Natalee
July 12, 2006

JORAN'S PATHETIC BOOK...HE CAN'T EVEN WRITE IT ON HIS OWN!

DON'T BUY THIS BOOK!!!!

AMSTERDAM--Publisher Sijthoff has bought the exclusive rights for a book concerning the disappearance of American... Natalee Holloway based on depositions of the Dutch suspect Joran van der Sloot. Journalist Zvezdana Vukojevic will write the book that is coming out next spring.

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MERI'S "TWO CENTS"

Who in their right mind wants to read a memoir about a seventeen to nineteen year old spoiled, rich boy who is the MAIN suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway? Even if the ALE is wrong and Joran did not kill Natalee Holloway...how interesting is the life of someone who, prior to his notoriety (and the disappearance of Natalee) was merely a kid who drank, gambled and picked up tourist girls while under the age of consent?

To continue reading article:

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/

Hi, All! Only three more shots and you guys will have to listen to all the smartassisms that have been building up in my head over the past 48 weeks.

The reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.

TAW

we are ready to roll: locked and loaded