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To: ToryHeartland; b_sharp; Thatcherite; PatrickHenry; jennyp; andysandmikesmom; Junior; ...
[MissAmericanPie ludicrously wrote:] Just like the scientific communities flim flam pointing to the 2% difference between men and chimps, and not pointing out that there is only a 3% difference between a man and an ear of corn. Fact does not mean with absolute certainty in science.

[ToryHeartland replied:] MissAmericanPie's reading comprehension is somewhat suspect, the "3%" would appear to be her own scrambling of an already twisted source--unless she would like to offer another source for her astounding claim.

Oh, it's worse than that. She made the *same* bone-headed "error" two years ago, and I already pointed out the idiocy of her "math" back then. Now, apparently having learned nothing from getting caught at it before -- or being dishonest enough to try it again after *knowing* it's wrong -- here she is again parroting the same mindless nonsense.

In short, she's acting like a typical anti-evolution creationist. Big surprise.

What *is* funny is that she states this "non-fact" she already *knows* won't fly here in the same post that she tries to sarcastically claim that it's *scientists* who have a slippery notion of what "facts" are... In truth, it's the *anti-evolutionists* who have more than a little "trouble" with sticking to facts, as her blatantly false "3%" claim makes very, very clear.

Here's the post I wrote to her the *first* time she tried to pull this crap on this forum:

Posted by Ichneumon to MissAmericanPie
On News/Activism 06/15/2004 6:53:00 PM CDT · 746 of 1,009

Yet more "creationist math" (as opposed to the real kind):

However, we find that Maize (corn) and people share 66.7% of our chain, where horses only share 63.7% of their chain with corn, a difference of 3%. [...] So the next time you hear someone talk about your closest genetic cousin, pull a piece of dried corn out of your pocket and introduce them to another close genetic cousin.

This is... mindbogglingly stupid.

It's like saying that since Miami Florida is 1360 miles from Portland Maine, and Miami is 1244 miles away from Kansas City Missouri, "a difference of 116 miles", that Miami and Kansas City are 116 miles apart, and "So the next time you hear someone in Miami talk about the closest city, pull a brochure of Kansas City out of your pocket and introduce them to another close geographic city."

Yes friends, creationists really do argue crap like this -- and then try to ridicule *science*. The mind boggles.

So if we consider this data we find that primates common ancestor must have sprouted from corn (no pun intended) where the common ancestor of the horse/donkey is closer to fungus then to corn.

No, "we" don't "find" that at all. Not unless "we" are an idiot creationist.

Do we take this seriously? If human and chimp share 98% of our full DNA then we must take a 3% difference between humans / corn and horses / corn with some seriousness.

No, actually, we don't.

My point is that by utilizing the same creative accounting used by anti-creationists we can also draw some weird conclusions about our heritage.

No, the point is that by utilizing weird "creative accounting" which is dishonestly (or cluelessly) *DIFFERENT* from the analyses actually used by scientists (here called "anti-cerationists"), one can *fallaciously* try to ridicule science in a classic case of a "straw man" attack, because it's like beating up a scarecrow version of the real thing, not the real thing itself.

This is very common among creationists, probably because most of them haven't a farking(tm) clue about the science they're trying to attack. But they keep trying anyway.


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[MissAmericanPie wrote:] There are so many black boxes in their theory, that the veiwing of it on film, well lets just say that it is very revealing.

No, what's "very revealing" is how often the anti-evolution creationists get caught posting blatant falsehoods in a dishonest attempt to have a cheap excuse to attack science, and how they KEEP doing it even after they've already gotten caught at it, because all they have is their script of misrepresentations, distortions, and lies. Deprive them of that, and they wouldn't have anything to say at all, so they just keep reading from it even after having already been previously caught using the same false material. They *know* the material is false, they don't *care* -- lying in order to attack science is just fine by them. So remember, "by their fruits shall ye know them".

Why do you anti-evolution nuts keep trying? You're just making fools of yourselves, *and* making all conservatives look bad by association. Or is that your actual goal?

Question for the lurkers: Does *anyone* think the anti-evolutionists on this thread are coming off as fine, upstanding, honest, competent, knowledgeable folks? Let's have a show of hands...

922 posted on 04/23/2006 4:30:06 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Ichneumon
Question for the lurkers: Does *anyone* think the anti-evolutionists on this thread are coming off as fine, upstanding, honest, competent, knowledgeable folks? Let's have a show of hands...

I'm not exactly a lurker, but I'll speak up for Miss Pie. I think she's honestly doing the very best she can, using all the talents God has given her.

929 posted on 04/23/2006 4:39:36 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Ichneumon
You are so totally dishonest, that is what boggles the mind. The same argument you just used regarding Miami and Kansas City can also be applied to the relationship between chimp and man in the amino acid chain as well. To claim such a kinship between man and chimp is as far fetched as claiming a kinship between man and and ear of corn. To deny that these percentages cause huge differences between funi, plant, animal, is just more flim flam.
947 posted on 04/23/2006 5:29:34 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Ichneumon
"Question for the lurkers: Does *anyone* think the anti-evolutionists on this thread are coming off as fine, upstanding, honest, competent, knowledgeable folks? Let's have a show of hands"

This makes your agenda clear. You are a propagandist, and are using a site that the rest of us are supporting to propel your own sociopathic goals.

Lurkers, if any are foolish enough to be following this useless mind control experiment, are you enjoying the show?

952 posted on 04/23/2006 5:57:56 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: Ichneumon

Barbara Dahl isn't the only one finding math tough.


981 posted on 04/23/2006 7:23:47 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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