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To: SampleMan
Me: are you seriously comparing murder and rape to drug use?
You: Yes.

Then, in your eyes, around a fourth of the US population must be guilty of genocide.

Most of the crime, thuggery, and murder is directly tied to the drug trade, as is forced prostitution (rape). I'm not at all impressed with "casual users" who simply finance the criminal organizations.

That's what happens when high-demand products are driven into the black market. Take my native Russia as an example. Their transition to capitalism has admittedly been far from smooth, but now that western clothing and music are no longer banned, no one gets beaten or killed over a pair of jeans or a Beatles record.

Again, my point is that if you want to legalize drug use, argue for it on its own merits.

Gladly! The WOD has been immoral from the very beginning - racist and fraudulent in its origins, even more disastrous than the alcohol prohibition out of which it grew, and continues to be an inexcusable assault on freedom to this very day. I could go on for pages, but 1) I type slow, and 2) the burden of proof is not on ME to argue why drug users don't belong in cages, but rather on the WODies to argue why they do. The practical (less abuse of search & seizure, less violent crime, etc.) is inseparable from the moral, and will logically follow.

114 posted on 04/06/2006 7:43:43 AM PDT by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions
"but now that western clothing and music are no longer banned, no one gets beaten or killed over a pair of jeans or a Beatles record."

Sounds like a safe place to live. Unlike the south side of Chicago where, every so often, we are treated to the story of some teen murdered for his Bulls jacket or his Air Jordan shoes.

Both legal, by the way.

121 posted on 04/06/2006 8:21:32 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions
First, your native Russia hasn't tried capitalism. If they ever do, things will be much better there. You must have a rule of law to have capitalism.

The tireless comparison with alcholohol (you left out tobacco, coffee, chocolate and green tea) is just plain silly.

What would legalization mean? It would mean disbanding pharmacies and prescriptions. Why bother, there could be no regulating law. Or do you propose laws for smart people, but no law for pot heads?

If you are going to tax the drugs sufficiently to pay for their costs to society, then the "illegal" smuggling will continue along with the murder. Additionally, taxes mean that the drugs are going to cost money. When a junkie has no money, because he's brain dead, he will kill for a $5 fix just as readily as a $50 fix. I guess he wouldn't have to kill as many people per fix though. Score one for you.

So you really want free drugs, paid for by me, for you. Followed by no doubt by free social services to care for the derelicts, and free medical care. Do I get free scotch, cigars, coffee, and chocolate too, or is the public largess just to be for serious dumba$$'s?

Perhaps we can offer free drugs as an incentive to get their useless bodies out of the country? Penal paradises full of free drugs and pine boxes.
137 posted on 04/06/2006 10:36:02 AM PDT by SampleMan
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