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I don't remember even mentioning creationism or Christians in the post.

Well, you are right; sort of. But I imagine you've lumped them in under the 'religion' heading; haven't you?

One observation might be that those countries where religion has suppressed science they remain poor. The US has been the exception but we are a maturing countries. If you are old enough to remember the differences of science and religious were of little concern until the late 70's. Since then with TV and the growth of fundamentalism science has been attacked. Many would discredit it in the schools and restrict knowledge. The number of students studying science has dropped and our world standing of high school performance in math and science has dropped from number one to 24 out of the top 25 countries in the world. We graduate but 70 thousand PH D's in math and science a year and more than half seek opportunity in other countries.

China graduates 500 thousand a year and India another 300 thousand. Our students rank first in high esteem and are taught that their faith and belief and opinion is the most important thing. Look at the Muslims, for centuries they suppressed science, allowed no new knowledge, think themselves superior, and allow no other beliefs than their own. They have high esteem but live in a decayed society and a IQ mean of 89. the US mean IQ has decreased from 100 to 97 in the last 25-30 years.

There is a hard core movement to establish a religion of state in the US and it has had some success. A republic or democracy is still a relative new thing considering history. Before the early middle ages most Monarchies had a religion of state and the progress of science was restricted. Nothing could be taught without the approval of religion and any opposing could be put to death. Religion does not seek new knowledge, it seeks to protect it's philosophy of faith and belief with little or no change. Science is always a threat because a increase in knowledge forces changes in faith and belief. More change has been forced on religion in the last 400 years than in all the years before that is of our history. Thoughts of cars, planes, going to the moon, TVs, radios, bathing suits and numerous other things would have made one a heretic and eligible for the death penalty. Thats it for now.

Uhhh, got me there ~ writer says fundamentalism grew!

Time for some history lessons, but alas, I don't have enough time to re-edu-macate someone who could make that mistake.

I think this comes out of the public schools ~ the idea that history began with your last birthday.

Well, you are right; sort of. But I imagine you've lumped them in under the 'religion' heading; haven't you?

I wasn't aware that religion as a whole believes in creation.

If you're read my bio page you know of my interest in the Apostolic Charismatic Church of the First Born and how I want it and its members brought into the 21st Century.

Interestingly enough, two of their prophets ~ little girls at the time ~ prophesied the coming of airplanes, automobiles, atombombs, tanks, cars, locomotives, etc. some time in the late 1700s.

That's why I was a bit startled to read: ".....More change has been forced on religion in the last 400 years than in all the years before that is of our history. Thoughts of cars, planes, going to the moon, TVs, radios, bathing suits and numerous other things would have made one a heretic and eligible for the death penalty..."

Visions of such things led neither to the destruction of the Church of the First Born, nor to their enlightenment.