Newly found species fills evolutionary gap between fish and land animals

EurekAlert (AAAS) ^ | 05 April 2006 | Staff

[mlc9852]

I observed flowers blooming. Material fact?

[King Prout]

"the FIRST peer reviewed journal article concerning plate tectonics" could have appeared yesterday, and I would be perfectly comfortable.

moreover, "the FIRST peer reviewed journal article concerning plate tectonics" could have appeared yesterday, and your doubled-absolute statement would *still* be false.

just admit it - you made a gross overstatement.
just pledge to attempt to avoid doing it again.

then I might interested in seeing your posts.
until then, well... trading barbs with artful dodgers doesn't appeal to me.

so, again: good day.

[Zavien Doombringer]

you are taking the passage out of context... NIV Isaiah 59:10-16

10 We grope for the wall like the blind; we grope like those who have no eyes; we stumble at noon as in the twilight, among those in full vigor we are like dead men. 11 We all growl like bears; we moan and moan like doves; we hope for justice, but there is none; for salvation, but it is far from us. 12 For our transgressions are multiplied before you, and our sins testify against us; for our transgressions are with us, and we know our iniquities: 13 transgressing, and denying the Lord, and turning back from following our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart lying words. 14 Justice is turned back, and righteousness stands afar off; for truth has stumbled in the public squares, and uprightness cannot enter. 15 Truth is lacking, and he who departs from evil makes himself a prey

But this scripture is fitting for this discussion, to take evolution for what it is, it is like stumbling...

[jec41]

I observed flowers blooming. Material fact?

Yep

[metmom]

There's a lot evolution doesn't address.

[jennyp]

I need more responses to this important survey regarding transitional fossils:

Which of the following are "just an old ape" and which are "just an old human"? Try it, it's fun!

Fossil hominid skulls. Some of the figures have been modified for ease of comparison
(only left-right mirroring or removal of a jawbone). [CLICK HERE] for larger photo.
(Images © 2000 Smithsonian Institution.)

• (A) Pan troglodytes, chimpanzee, modern
  
• (B) Australopithecus africanus, STS 5, 2.6 My
  
• (C) Australopithecus africanus, STS 71, 2.5 My
  
• (D) Homo habilis, KNM-ER 1813, 1.9 My
  
• (E) Homo habilis, OH24, 1.8 My
  
• (F) Homo rudolfensis, KNM-ER 1470, 1.8 My
  
• (G) Homo erectus, Dmanisi cranium D2700, 1.75 My
  
• (H) Homo ergaster (early H. erectus), KNM-ER 3733, 1.75 My
  
• (I) Homo heidelbergensis, "Rhodesia man", 300,000 - 125,000 y
  
• (J) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Ferrassie 1, 70,000 y
  
• (K) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Chappelle-aux-Saints, 60,000 y
  
• (L) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, Le Moustier, 45,000 y
  
• (M) Homo sapiens sapiens, Cro-Magnon I, 30,000 y
  
• (N) Homo sapiens sapiens, modern

We know that A) is a modern chimpanzee and N) is a modern human. Everyone agrees that M) was a modern human as well. Your challenge is to fill in these blanks:

Fossil	Just an ape	Ape-like transitional	Human-like transitional	Just a human	Not related at all to apes or humans
B	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
C	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
D	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
E	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
F	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
G	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
H	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
I	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
J	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
K	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
L	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]

The Responses So Far:

Person	A Pan troglodytes (modern chimp)	B, C Australopithecus africanus	D Homo habilis	E Homo habilis	F Homo rudolfensis	G Homo erectus	H Homo ergaster	I Homo heidelbergensis	J, K Homo sapiens neanderthalensis	L, M Homo sapiens sapiens (Cro-Magnon, modern human)
Mainstream scientists	ape	ape-like trans	ape-like trans	ape-like, human-like trans	ape-like, human-like trans	human-like trans	human-like trans	human-like trans	human-like trans, human	human
editor-surveyor	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	human	human
Michael_Michaelangelo	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	human	human
MississippiMan	ape							ape		human

[metmom]

(Ya left off...

"And that's the absolute truth!"

But don't you know *there are no absolutes*. Except that statement, which is expected to be taken as an absolute. But if there are no absolutes, that would include that statement. So then, that statement is false; there are indeed absolutes.

[balrog666]

You don't know what an "argument" is, do you? You think it is people diagreeing, don't you?

Shades of Monty Python!

[freedumb2003]

Shades of Monty Python!

I could be arguing on my spare time!;)

[muawiyah]

Virgin births are a dime a dozen these days. So, what about it?

[gomaaa]

Does order come of chaos by itself? Prove it.

It happens all the time

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/

Ordered states are often a more energetically favorable configuration than unordered states. This is how crystalization occurs.

[muawiyah]

Certainly there's room for determining what the mind might be.

[dread78645]

Q: Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!
M: What?
Q: Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
M: Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
Q: OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
M: Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
Q: Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
M: Oh, Thank you very much. Sorry.
Q: Not at all.
M: Thank You.
(Under his breath) Stupid git!!

[muawiyah]

Scientific American recently ran an editorial on the matter ~ there are many sources for such claims.

For some reason no one is suggesting that these guys are nutcases ~ which they are ~

[jec41]

Certainly there's room for determining what the mind might be.

That is not a argument I would consider.

[muawiyah]

They do?

Amazing.

I think you are confusing their belief or understanding of additional dimensionality with your very limited "objective reality" that's grounded in a mere three dimensions.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"But don't you know *there are no absolutes*."

Do you believe that there is such a thing as objective reality?; that the existence of the world is not dependent on who the observer is?


If so, you need to talk to muawiyah. He/she says that objective reality doesn't exist (not just that we can't know it with certainty). Also, he/she claims that Christians don't believe that the Bible is objectively true. He/she also claimed that the universe could be a construct of his mind.

He/she is not one of us. What say you?

[muawiyah]

Without an understanding of the concepts "dark matter" and "dark energy" you can't begin to get a grasp of the small fraction of the Universe that's measurable and observable.

So much for materialism ~ it's only a trivial part of knowledge.

[muawiyah]

Hardly ~ in fact, I read it in the library of the geology building at Indiana University in my undergraduate days.

Up until the publication of that particular study, it was mere conjecture. After the publication, it became accepted doctrine.

(NOTE: Nothing like being there at the foundations ~ remember, the past is not like the present ~ it really is stranger than you can imagine, unless you remember it.)

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"They do?

Amazing."

Yes, your claim is amazing.

"I think you are confusing their belief or understanding of additional dimensionality with your very limited "objective reality" that's grounded in a mere three dimensions."

No, I am speaking of the 4 dimensions that we can have objective knowledge about. Christians most certainly DO believe that there is objective truth in the Bible.

Postmodernist relativism will be the death of conservatism .