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Newly found species fills evolutionary gap between fish and land animals
EurekAlert (AAAS) ^ | 05 April 2006 | Staff

Posted on 04/05/2006 10:32:31 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: yellowdoghunter
Key word is "THEORY". Some interesting comments on this thread but when it comes right down to it, evolution is just a "THEORY".

No, most people have observed it including yourself. Evolution is defined simply as occurring change or change is ongoing or a observed fact. The Theory of Evolution explains the observed fact. For the simplest proof there are 6.7 billion people on earth and no two have been found to be exactly the same so some change has occurred. Get a picture of your parents and stand in front of a mirror. If you are exactly the same no change has occurred and you are a clone. However is if there is any difference, no matter how small, some change or evolution has occurred. Evolution whether by reproduction or nature is still change.

Evolution is both a fact and a theory. What is a theory? The method of science is the observation or a material fact (evolution) evidence and empirical evidence of the fact (evolution), and a explanation of the fact that constitutes theory. A scientific theory is composed of facts and laws not someones opinion.

If by now you have looked in the mirror you may remain a clone in thought but that physical change has occurred is a material fact observed by your own senses.

161 posted on 04/05/2006 12:56:41 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: MeanWestTexan
As the great illusionist said: the smug scientist is the easiest to fool - for they can no longer see out right fraud as long as it is packaged in their logic system.
so we get: korean clone BS, forged and fudged data, and
very specialized areas of study where one scientist cannot evaluate another..the perfect system for scams. remember beware man made global warming it might lead to evolutionary changes LOL
162 posted on 04/05/2006 12:57:44 PM PDT by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: RightWingNilla

Depends leakage.


163 posted on 04/05/2006 12:58:15 PM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: Ichneumon

"So you pop in to make vapid and laughably idiotic comments like, "They extrapolate so far from so little", and slap each other on the back about how "clever" you're being compared to those people you unjustly ridicule as "true believers", when instead you're just exposing your own ignorance, bigotries, and unfounded presumptions."

Hey, don't include me in that. My comments were limited to the popular dinosaur shows on TV, where IMO the scenes they re-enact, and the voice-overs, are wildly speculative about how dinosaurs actually lived and died. Good entertainment, bad science - hardly any better than "Jurassic Park" as science. For the record I believe that evolution is a fact and that the Theory of Natural Selection is a key mechansim in it.


164 posted on 04/05/2006 12:59:29 PM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: RightWingNilla
Once again I could say the same about you but I won't. I wonder why scientists can't explain the complexity of the cell? Or "molecular machinery". There are many unanswered questions that evolution doesn't begin to answer.

However, I have no problem with people believing as they wish. On the other hand, you seem to have quite a problem with people who don't believe in evolution.

I guess we will all find out the answer sooner or later.

165 posted on 04/05/2006 12:59:41 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (I sometimes only vote for Republicans because they are not Democrats....by Dr. Thomas Sowell)
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To: ConsentofGoverned
["Not you, obviously, because you've come to the discussion entirely unequipped with anything beyond belligerence."]

there you go again, musta hit a nerve, not so assured of your positions are you?

Wow, you're not real good on this "logical thinking" thing, are you?

Clue for the clueless: If I were not assured of my position, then someone questioning it wouldn't annoy me, because I'd be questioning it myself, thus I could hardly take issue with anyone else doing likewise.

Bigger clue for the clueless: The reason that snotty ignorance annoys me is precisely because I *am* very assured of my position, since it is based on over thirty years of personal research and validation and tens of thousands of pieces of evidence I have ensured fit the conclusions and validated it. Thus, when some know-nothing comes along and makes smirking claims that are entirely false, and prances around proclaiming himself the "smart" one while insulting everyone who *has* spent a lifetime actually educating himself on the topic, then *that's* when such childish behavior is likely to "hit a nerve", because it's just so overwhelmingly moronic and insulting, coming from someone who not only hasn't earned the privilege, but who is so clueless he doesn't even realize the depths of his own incompetence.

You're like Cindy Sheehan, who is annoying precisely *because* we're assured enough of our own position to recognize just what an airhead she is who just won't shut up -- despite not having a clue, she keeps on spewing more vicious nonsense, egged on by other know-nothings.

166 posted on 04/05/2006 12:59:45 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: jec41
Darwin said this almost 150 years ago. This is from Origin of Species (6th ed.), Chapter 2 - Variation Under Nature:
The many slight differences which appear in the offspring from the same parents, or which it may be presumed have thus arisen, from being observed in the individuals of the same species inhabiting the same confined locality, may be called individual differences. No one supposes that all the individuals of the same species are cast in the same actual mould. These individual differences are of the highest importance for us, for they are often inherited, as must be familiar to every one; and they thus afford materials for natural selection to act on and accumulate, in the same manner as man accumulates in any given direction individual differences in his domesticated productions.

167 posted on 04/05/2006 12:59:53 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: spetznaz

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/cerc/danoff-burg/invasion_bio/inv_spp_summ/Clarius_batrachus.html

Identification: Walking catfish, which are scale-less, are typically a uniform shade of gray or gray-brown with many small white spots along their sides. The head is flat and wide and the body tapers to the tail. The eyes are very small and the mouth is broad with fleshy lips and numerous small pointed teeth in large bands on both the upper and lower jaw. There are four pairs of barbels, one pair each of maxillary and nasal barbels and two pairs of mandibal barbels. The fish has a lengthy dorsal and anal fin that each terminate in a lobe near the caudal fin. The pectoral fins, one on each side, have rigid spine-like elements. To move outside of water, the fish uses these "spines" and flexes its body back and forth to "walk". The walking catfish is easy to distinguish from many of the other North American catfish because it doesn't have an adipose fin.

In addition to the brown or gray-brown coloring noted above, albinos and calico morphs are also possible. However, these are uncommon in the wild. For example, in Florida the fish that escaped were albinos but today the albino is rare and descendants have generally reverted to the dominant, dark coloring.

The fish reach reproductive maturity at one year and grow up to 24 inches in their native range. However, in Florida they rarely exceed 14 inches.

Walking catfish possess a large accessory breathing organ which enables them to breath atmospheric oxygen. They are well known for their ability to "walk" on land for long distances, especially during or after rainfall.

I remember these Walking Catfish from when I lived in So. Fla. They are still around.


169 posted on 04/05/2006 1:00:16 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Dimensio

I dunno, I didn't post it, ask the poster.


170 posted on 04/05/2006 1:00:45 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT!)
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To: Ichneumon
I didn't post any cartoons...
171 posted on 04/05/2006 1:01:48 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT!)
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To: Ichneumon
"You're like Cindy Sheehan, who is annoying precisely *because* we're assured enough of our own position to recognize just what an airhead she is who just won't shut up -- despite not having a clue, she keeps on spewing more vicious nonsense, egged on by other know-nothings."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.................
there is pharmacological help for your condition..try it
life will be better for those around you.
172 posted on 04/05/2006 1:02:01 PM PDT by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: Ichneumon
You're like Cindy Sheehan, who is annoying precisely *because* we're assured enough of our own position to recognize just what an airhead she is who just won't shut up -- despite not having a clue, she keeps on spewing more vicious nonsense, egged on by other know-nothings.

Excellent point.

173 posted on 04/05/2006 1:03:03 PM PDT by hawkaw
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To: grapevine
And THEORY trumps MYTHOLOGY. That's why we use THEORY to advance science.

Just your opinion, which you are welcome to. I however, disagree.

I still don't believe I came from a monkey!

174 posted on 04/05/2006 1:03:16 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (I sometimes only vote for Republicans because they are not Democrats....by Dr. Thomas Sowell)
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To: Ichneumon
I see, when ever a posting about Evolution comes up, the intellects come out of the woodwork...

I didn't post the picture in question, I am merely making a question. I see the upsidedown darwin walking fish as a creationalists attempt to show the dead theory of evolution. It wasn't my picture, nor do I subscribe to the point of view.

175 posted on 04/05/2006 1:04:40 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT!)
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To: Ichneumon; VadeRetro

There's more waiving of arms and flailing about in this thread than there is in any spastic ward. It's the all-too predictable reaction to any new piece of evidence that ringingly confirms the theory of evolution (yet again).


176 posted on 04/05/2006 1:07:10 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: ConsentofGoverned

"so we get: korean clone BS"

Remind me again who busted the korean cloner? Oh, that's right, other scientists who compete with the loser for fame and fortune!

Fakes are endemic all things where a buck is to be made --- witness the Shroud of Turin, pieces of the "True Cross," fake Chinese "antiques," and even Mozart's skull here lately.

Those fakes take away nothing from the fact of Christ, the beauty of Ming Dynasty Art, or the fact of Mozart's genuis.


177 posted on 04/05/2006 1:10:29 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Ichneumon; Dimensio
...because that's the way Zavien Doombringer reaches *his* conclusions, and thus he (incorrectly) presumes that everyone else does likewise.

And your source for this is?

178 posted on 04/05/2006 1:10:39 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT!)
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To: PatrickHenry; All
theory of evolution

There is that word again. Evolution is just someone's idea, not a fact.

Therefore, I do not see why people get all riled up about it, it means nothing. Believe me, people, there are many more questions than evolution will ever be able to answer.

179 posted on 04/05/2006 1:10:45 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (I sometimes only vote for Republicans because they are not Democrats....by Dr. Thomas Sowell)
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To: yellowdoghunter
Key word is "[WELL-SUBSTANTIATED EXPLANATION OF THE DATA]". Some interesting comments on this thread but when it comes right down to it, evolution is just a "[WELL-SUBSTANTIATED EXPLANATION OF THE DATA]".

This is how anyone with a modicum of scientific literacy is reading your posts. I thought you should know before you continue to embarrass yourself.
180 posted on 04/05/2006 1:11:29 PM PDT by aNYCguy
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