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Elderly Couple Hospitalized After Cops Raid Wrong House
Fox News ^ | March 23, 2006 | AP staff

Posted on 03/23/2006 10:59:34 AM PST by seacapn

HORN LAKE, Miss. — An unidentified elderly Horn Lake couple were hospitalized Thursday after police burst into their home thinking it housed a methamphetamine laboratory.

The incident occurred Wednesday about 4 a.m., said police Capt. Shannon Beshears. Beshears said it was the right address but the wrong house.

Beshears said a heavily armed Tactical Apprehension Containment Team stormed the house.

"We had good information from a reliable source that had been backed up by a purchase of narcotics linked to the address. However, when we arrived at the designated address, there were two houses on the lot. We hit the larger of the two houses.

"It was the wrong house," Beshears said. "The house was totally dark and the TACT members went through to the bedroom looking for the suspects."

A man and a woman — both in their 80s — were injured as TACT team members secured the house although no drugs were found. There were children in the house also, but they were not awakened, Beshears said.

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To: Beelzebubba
If what I posted strikes you as a rant then boy are you going to get upset when I actually DO rant! In my city the great danger is the meth labs and the addicts. The worst you can say about cops around here is that they don't do enough. I appreciate that there are places where the cops are over the top. I was addressing my particular community.The biggest impediment to competent police enforcement here, is that the city has a major population of retired Californians. They don't want higher taxes (and who does?) to pay for the level of enforcement that our city needs. You are much more apt to be sickened by the residue of meth labs here, than a victim of police misconduct. The creek that runs behind the former neighborhood meth lab runs through my front yard. No telling what the "cooks" dumped in it. All I know is that there aren't anymore fish now.
321 posted on 03/24/2006 8:23:35 AM PST by BruceysMom (.I'm hot & not in a good way, menopause ain't for sissies.)
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To: Beelzebubba
BTW have you read this whole thread? Cause if you have you would see that what I posted was a civil disagreement with the many cop bashing comments on this thread, and not even a particularly heated response at that. So your painting my response as a rant is puzzling. You may have a very militarized police force in your area, but thats more the exception than the rule. Around here we don't pay 'em enough to buy the high tech toys. I reiterate, I'm calling 911 when I have a problem, feel free to call whomever you want. In case this portrays me as lib, I'll call 911 after me, mr. Glock and my 170 lb. Caucasian Ovcharka feel we need back up.
322 posted on 03/24/2006 8:37:17 AM PST by BruceysMom (.I'm hot & not in a good way, menopause ain't for sissies.)
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To: BruceysMom

>>The worst you can say about cops around here is that they don't do enough.

Someohow, it seems that doing too much of the wrong thing and not enough of the right things are linked.

>>You are much more apt to be sickened by the residue of meth labs here, than a victim of police misconduct.

Another overblown media myth. Yes, it is bad for you, but this is like secondhand smoke, as far as real science is concerned. Feel free to post a credible story about someone being sickened from a lab in a neighboring house.

>>No telling what the "cooks" dumped in it. All I know is that there aren't anymore fish now.

Science!

>>You may have a very militarized police force in your area, but thats more the exception than the rule.

Nearly every town of more than 50k (and many smaller) have machine guns and armored vehicles. Paid for by our federal tax dollars. A standing federal army.


323 posted on 03/24/2006 9:31:10 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: One Proud Dad
"Mistakes are made but the police are right 99% of the time."

BULL SHIT.

324 posted on 03/24/2006 11:31:32 AM PST by phasma proeliator (It's not always being fast or even accurate that counts... it's being willing.)
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To: seacapn

Another example of the macho-cop, adrenaline-pumping, tough-guy mentality to infects virtually every officer in every small town police force in the nation. I live in the South and here, it comes with the breeding--macho is a job requirement. We have to recognize that these people are the less-than intellectual high-school dropouts, GED, or bottom of the class winners that couldn't get into college, enlisted in the Army, served their tour as MPs and for lack of any other training went to the police academy. Their only claim to pride and power in their lives is putting on their uniforms and having other people look at them and fear them. Sounds a lot like politicians now that I think about it.


325 posted on 03/24/2006 11:45:22 AM PST by Small-L (I'm a staunch libertarian Republican, but I refuse to vote for a RINO)
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To: mugs99
"The drug war mentality of law enforcement has caused the people to fear the government...A very dangerous situation."

"When the government fears the people there is liberty;
when the people fear the government there is tyranny."
--Thomas Jefferson"

The lack of results in a generations long civil war(WOD) relegates all action taken by the government as significant only for the TERROR that it inflicts upon the citizenry in effort to control their appetites. (Not a Constitutionally mandated federal power!) The DEAmen are the Taliban of America.

The unlawful use of or threatened use of force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives.--FBI definition of terrorism.
326 posted on 03/24/2006 12:42:37 PM PST by PaxMacian (Gen. 1:29)
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To: Beelzebubba

"Militarized police forces have become the "standing army" our founders feared."

Indeed, they are even being quartered in seized homes given to them for
their brave acts of defending the citizenry from flowers from the garden
of God.


327 posted on 03/24/2006 12:53:57 PM PST by PaxMacian (Gen. 1:29)
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To: Beelzebubba
Not here. There is an armored vehicle the next county over, sometimes we get to use it. No it's not a myth about the residue from meth cooking. Until we got a website that listed the address where cooks had been busted, we had plenty of people with illnesses that were hard to diagnose. Seems that many eventually found out that they were living in a former "kitchen" Lots of respiratory problems. Lots of landlords that have to watch their tenants like hawks cause if a lab is operating on your property and it gets busted you either have to pay Hazmat to clean it up or let it be condemned So now you can stop being condescending and quit trying to morph my town into something that fits your stereotypes.
328 posted on 03/24/2006 12:57:38 PM PST by BruceysMom (.I'm hot & not in a good way, menopause ain't for sissies.)
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To: The Red Zone
Never tweak until twoken to.

I *hope* you mean, never 'tweak' at all.

The spate of home labs in America is a plague. I have long held and still believe that drug rules should be relaxed to permit doctors to prescribe almost anything to their patients, for the purpose of bona fide treatment of disease, so long as they are held liable for untoward results. No suicide medicine, no tripping just for the sake of tripping.

329 posted on 03/24/2006 2:35:42 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck

All hail the oligarchy of doctors!


330 posted on 03/24/2006 2:42:17 PM PST by PaxMacian (Gen. 1:29)
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To: Small-L
You are all too optimistic about the foundations of law
enforcement. The real motivating factor for LEOs is the
force in enforcement. Those individuals whose lusts tend
toward the sadistic are drawn to positions in life where
they can most readily satisfy that lust with some sense
of justification. Also, there are those who simply need
to feel empowered over others to feel any sense of worth,
generally known as narcissists.
331 posted on 03/24/2006 2:53:27 PM PST by PaxMacian (Gen. 1:29)
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To: PaxMacian
there are those who simply need to feel empowered over others to feel any sense of worth, generally known as narcissists.

Our number one problem....IMHO
.
332 posted on 03/24/2006 4:20:11 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: One Proud Dad
Mistakes are made but the police are right 99% of the time. You only hear about the 1 out of 100 incidents that they are wrong.

How many instances does it take before the police become a bigger danger than the crooks they're supposed to be fighting against? Especially considering that the more wrongful police raids there are, the safer it will be for criminals to adopt the same tactics.

Is there any reason not to (1) require that all officers involved on a raid personally ensure that the raid they are conducting is authorized by a facially-valid warrant, (2) treat any officer whose actions are not authorized by a facially-valid warrants the same was as an ordinary person would be regarded for doing those same actions, including (3) prosecute under the felony murder rule any agent who takes part in a raid not authorized by a facially-valid warrant if any person is killed in the course of such a raid?

If someone isn't willing to take the time to read a warrant to ensure that it facially authorizes conducting a raid in the planned fashion, that person shouldn't be conducting a raid.

BTW, I believe this country also needs some judges to tighten up on the "oath or affirmation" requirement. The only fact that was attested to under oath or affirmation to secure that warrant on Cory Maye's dwelling was that there was an (unspecified) unusual amount of traffic to the primary dwelling at the residence. There was some hearsay regarding goings-on there, but warrants should not be issued on the basis of hearsay which is not given under oath or affirmation.

333 posted on 03/25/2006 12:23:27 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: supercat
...warrants should not be issued on the basis of hearsay which is not given under oath or affirmation.

Might have saved this woman:

NYC Woman Dies During Botched Police Raid

New York (AP) - A 57-year-old woman died of an apparent heart attack Friday after police detonated a flash grenade and handcuffed her during a raid on the wrong apartment.

Alberta Spruill, a longtime city employee, was pronounced dead about an hour after a dozen heavily armed officers broke into her home at dawn. "We're deeply saddened," said Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly. "It's a tragedy. This should not have happened."

An informant said that Spruill's sixth-floor Harlem apartment was being used by an armed drug dealer to stash cocaine and heroin, police officials said.

-- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/913115/posts

334 posted on 03/25/2006 12:51:03 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
An informant said that Spruill's sixth-floor Harlem apartment was being used by an armed drug dealer to stash cocaine and heroin, police officials said.

If judges are willing to issue warrants on the basis of hearsay which is not given (by the original speaker) under oath or affirmation, what is the point of the "oath or affirmation" requirement in the Constitution?

335 posted on 03/25/2006 1:12:44 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: One Proud Dad
Nobody on the entire SWAT thought it was a bad idea to flip-a-coin? Nobody thought they should

This is an outrage that this kind of thing can happen in America. It is even more outrageous that some people can "stand behind" this kind of stupid, arrogant, and morally bankrupt behavior on behalf of these SWAT members.

This is still the United States of America, no matter how much these retarded, uneducated, power-hunry, large-ego, small penis SWAT members would like it to be NAZI Germany.

I would like to see the entire SWAT team fired and a large judgment for the Plaintiff in a civil case.

I would like to see a federal 42 USC 1983 lawsuit against them too.
336 posted on 03/25/2006 3:25:32 PM PST by RKB-AFG (We welcome that debate on our side. We'll clean your clock!)
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To: middie

Great Post.


337 posted on 03/25/2006 3:33:07 PM PST by RKB-AFG (We welcome that debate on our side. We'll clean your clock!)
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To: supercat
If judges are willing to issue warrants on the basis of hearsay which is not given (by the original speaker) under oath or affirmation, what is the point of the "oath or affirmation" requirement in the Constitution?

Constitution, shmonstitution ... don't you know there's a War On Drugs going on? Terrorizing innocent seniors is a small price to pay for protecting fools from themselves.

338 posted on 03/25/2006 3:45:52 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The spate of home labs in America is a plague.

Legalize and regulate, and home labs will be as rare as moonshine stills.

339 posted on 03/25/2006 3:47:33 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: BruceysMom

BruceysMom, I agree with you, I'm on the east coast and meth labs are popping up all over the place. It's having a devastating effect on the generation of young adults and there is no one that is immune, all races, all classes, all ages. And yes, elderly people have even been charged with dealing it.

It is awful that these two elderly people were injured, however, if you read the article link to Fox, there is a little more info as well as in several other papers.

The houses were on one lot, which could indicate it's either a rental or family members living in the other one. When they went into the smaller of the two there was a woman cooking up a batch and they arrested her, they also arrested another guy who was probably her spouse. The elderly couple requested that their names not be printed. Was this because one of the people arrested was perhaps their son or daughter and they were mortified? Were the kids sleeping their granchildren who they probably had at their own house because of what their parents were doing? For all we know the elderly couple may be very grateful that the cops raided their house and put an end to the situation. For all we know, they may have been dealing with far worse situation than bruised ribs and a dislocated shoulder if their kids were infact dealing and taking advantage of them. There are two sides to every story and what is printed more often than not is just one side.
Going into a meth lab is an extremely volatile situation, not only because you might encounter a hopped up drug user with weaapons, but also because it is highly explosive and therefore requires protective gear. In fact disassembling a meth lab requires special training as well as a hazmat team.
The guys that go in to do that are also exposed to serious health risks. The residue that the meth lab leaves behind can pose serious health hazards to future occupants and in quite a few states they are introducing laws which hold real estate agents and landlords accountable for the property in which it must be disclosed to buyers or renters. Entire families have become seriously ill from moving into homes that were once meth labs and in which they were not informed of and only learned about from researching the property.
Meth is an extremely devastating drug and I would be much more concerned for my family's safety living next to one than from the cops mistakenly raiding my house.


340 posted on 03/25/2006 9:54:05 PM PST by fĂ­rinne
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