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To: Thatcherite

I used to believe pretty much the same as you, and would similarly dismiss the Christians as pie-eyed, knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers.

However, my change was not based on emotion, or it would not have persisted so long.

It was truly a spiritual phenomenon, occuring in my heart and soul.

When I was first converted, all my friends said things like, "You'll get over it."

When one of them tried to lure me with drugs and alcohol, and I easily brushed it aside, he said to me, "It's as if you died and someone else is living in your body."

Exactly.

That was almost 16 years ago.

It only gets better as time moves along, because my God is faithful.

But to you, and most of your fellow travellers, all my testimony is viewed as a silly, superstitious and emotional response to a series of not-so-peculiar, albeit not-so-ordinary coincidences.

When my heart and soul were changed, I looked upon the world with new eyes and was able to see things very differently.

Perhaps, to you, this means I was brainwashed.

Trust me, if you can.

No salesman called.

Nobody came to my door with a Bible and asked me to say a "sinner's prayer".

I did not attend any "classes" or "orientation".

God led me in His own way in His own time.

I can only pray that He does the same for you.


1,114 posted on 01/29/2006 4:15:02 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: Westbrook
I used to believe pretty much the same as you, and would similarly dismiss the Christians as pie-eyed, knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers.

Creationist lie #634: acceptance of evolution is based upon the dismissal of Christians (this is related to the creationist lie that all who accept evolution as valid science are atheists and the corrolary that none who accept evolution are Christians).

The fact remains that you have yet to make a rational argument. When confronted with facts that you could not counter you retreated into religious preaching. That doesn't make your position look stronger.
1,116 posted on 01/29/2006 4:23:20 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Westbrook
I used to believe pretty much the same as you, and would similarly dismiss the Christians as pie-eyed, knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers.

I have never dismissed "The Christians" as "pie-eyed, knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers" so the rest of your post has no application. Indeed a significant majority of those who post in favour of the TOE on FR are Christians, so you are just setting up the usual fallacy of false dichotomy that creationists love so.

OTOH those who reject clear physical evidence, and argue almost entirely from the perceived (and unevidenced) social consequences were evolution to be true aren't behaving so as to gain any respect from me, or anyone else who is interested in reality rather than emotion. You just want affirmative action for your beliefs, because they make you feel comfortable.

1,214 posted on 01/30/2006 9:44:19 AM PST by Thatcherite (More abrasive blackguard than SeaLion or ModernMan)
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