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What Are Creationists Afraid Of?
The New Individualist ^ | 1/2006 | Ed Hudgins

Posted on 01/26/2006 1:47:10 PM PST by jennyp

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Third, complexity does not imply “design.” One of Adam Smith’s most powerful insights, developed further by Friedrich Hayek, is that incredible complexity can emerge in society without a designer or planner, through “spontaneous order.” Hayek showed how in a free market the complex processes of producing and distributing goods and services to millions of individuals do not require socialist planners. Rather, individuals pursuing their own self-interest in a system governed by a few basic rules—property rights, voluntary exchange by contract—have produced all the vast riches of the Western world.

Many creationists who are on the political Right understand the logic of this insight with respect to economic complexity. Why, then, is it such a stretch for them to appreciate that the complexity we find in the physical world—the optic nerve, for example—can emerge over millions of years under the rule of natural laws that govern genetic mutations and the adaptability of life forms to changing environments? It is certainly curious that many conservative creationists do not appreciate that the same insights that show the futility of a state-designed economy also show the irrelevance of an “intelligently designed” universe.

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Evolution: A Communist Plot?

Yet another fear causes creationists to reject the findings of science.

Many early proponents of science and evolution were on the political Left. For example, the Humanist Manifesto of 1933 affirmed support for evolution and the scientific approach. But its article fourteen stated: “The humanists are firmly convinced that existing acquisitive and profit-motivated society has shown itself to be inadequate and that a radical change in methods, controls, and motives must be instituted. A socialized and cooperative economic order must be established to the end that the equitable distribution of the means of life be possible.”

Subsequent humanist manifestos in 1973 and 2000 went lighter on the explicit socialism but still endorsed, along with a critical approach to knowledge, the kind of welfare-state democracy and internationalism rejected by conservatives. The unfortunate historical association of science and socialism is based in part on the erroneous conviction that if humans can use scientific knowledge to design machines and technology, why not an entire economy?

Further, many supporters of evolution were or appeared to be value-relativists or subjectivists. For example, Clarence Darrow, who defended Scopes in the “monkey trial” eight decades ago, also defended Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb. These two young amoralists pictured themselves as supermen above conventional morality; they decided to commit the perfect crime and killed a fourteen-year-old boy. Darrow offered the jury the standard liberal excuses for the atrocity. He argued that the killers were under the influence of Nietzschean philosophy, and that to give them the death penalty would hurt their surviving families. “I am pleading for life, understanding, charity, kindness, and the infinite mercy that considers all,” he said. “I am pleading that we overcome cruelty with kindness and hatred with love.” This is the sort of abrogation of personal responsibility, denial of moral culpability, and rejection of the principle of justice that offends religious conservatives—in fact, every moral individual, religious or atheist.

In addition, nearly all agnostics and atheists accept the validity of evolution. Creationists, as religious fundamentalists, therefore see evolution and atheism tied together to destroy the basis of morality. For one thing, evolution seems to erase the distinction between humans and animals. Animals are driven by instincts; they are not responsible for their actions. So we don’t blame cats for killing mice, lions for killing antelope, or orca whales for killing seals. It’s what they do. They follow instincts to satisfy urges to eat and procreate. But if human beings evolved from lower animals, then we might be merely animals—and so there would be no basis for morality. In which case, anything goes.

To religious fundamentalists, then, agnostics and atheists must be value-relativists and subjectivists. Whether they accept evolution because they reject a belief in God, or reject a belief in God because they accept evolution, is immaterial: the two beliefs are associated, just as are creationism and theism. By this view, the only firm basis for morality is the divine edicts of a god.

This reflects the creationists’ fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of morality.

Morality from Man’s Nature

We humans are what we are today regardless of whether we evolved, were created, or were intelligently designed. We have certain characteristics that define our nature.

We are Homo sapiens. Unlike lower animals, we have a rational capacity, an ability to fully, conceptually understand the world around us. We are self-conscious. We are the animal that knows—and knows that he knows. We do not survive automatically, by instinct, but must exercise the virtue of rationality. We must think. We must discover how to acquire food—through hunting or planting—how to make shelters, how to invent medicines. And to acquire such knowledge, we must adopt a rational methodology: science.

Furthermore, our thinking does not occur automatically. We have free will and must choose to think, to focus our minds, to be honest rather than to evade facts that make us uncomfortable—evolution, for example—because reality is what it is, whether we like it or acknowledge it or not.

But we humans do not exercise our minds and our wills for mere physical survival. We have a capacity for a joy and flourishing far beyond the mere sensual pleasures experienced by lower animals. Such happiness comes from planning our long-term goals, challenging ourselves, calling on the best within us, and achieving those goals—whether we seek to nurture a business to profitability or a child to adulthood, whether we seek to create a poem or a business plan, whether we seek to design a building or to lay the bricks for its foundation.

But our most important creation is our moral character, the habits and attitudes that govern our actions. A good character helps us to be happy, a bad one guarantees us misery. And what guides us in creating such a character? What tells us how we should deal with our fellow humans?

A code of values, derived from our nature and requirements as rational, responsible creatures possessing free will.

We need not fear that with evolution, or without a god, there is no basis for ethics. There is an objective basis for ethics, but it does not reside in the heavens. It arises from our own human nature and its objective requirements.

Creationists and advocates of intelligent design come to their beliefs in part through honest errors and in part from evasions of facts and close-minded dogmatism. But we should appreciate that one of their motivations might be a proper rejection of value-relativism, and a mistaken belief that acceptance of divine revelation is the only moral alternative.

If we can demonstrate to them that the basis for ethics lies in our nature as rational, volitional creatures, then perhaps we can also reassure them that men can indeed have morality—yet never fear to use that wondrous capacity which allows us to understand our own origins, the world around us, and the moral nature within us.

Edward Hudgins is the Executive Director of The Objectivist Center.


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To: sha2006
And who are you materialist atheists to define what "science" is?

Creationist lie #283: all who accept the theory of evolution are atheists.

I should add creationist lie #283a: all who believe that science only studies the natural universe are atheists.

Science shouldn't be limited to naturalism.

How can the scientific method be applied to the supernatural? Be specific.
721 posted on 01/27/2006 4:21:14 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: sha2006; whattajoke
If you are strangely implying that science should tackle the supernatural, you are very mistaken.

One man’s “magic” is another man’s engineering. “Supernatural” is a null word.

Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973


722 posted on 01/27/2006 4:22:37 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: sha2006
If there is no God, then life has no meaning. Period.

No, it just doesn't have the meaning that you presently think it has or think it should have. And, if it is true you can't imagine meaning in life absent a God, I'd fear that you are missing out on much of that which makes humans humans and life livable.

To think there isn't anything out there greater than yourself is arrogant beyond belief.

First, "greater than yourself" need not be God, nor even supernatural. Second, to be certain, without proof, that there not only is a God, but your opinions of him are Truth, and all the other religious views of all the other people now alive and who have ever lived which disagree with you are Lies (damnable lies, at that) is the height of arrogance.

723 posted on 01/27/2006 4:23:19 PM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: sha2006
Then tell me, where does an atheist find meaning?

I have friends.

We're just an accident; a random bunch of chemicals in some mindless universe. How can that be anything but depressing?

Why should it depress me?
725 posted on 01/27/2006 4:25:40 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Junior; P-Marlowe; xzins; Buggman
Let's see, on one hand we have a mountain of fossil evidence going back nearly 6 million years...

That is an interesting claim. A mountain of fossil evidence?

Check out This post and explain to me why a published environmentalist would say transitional fossils haven't been found because they don't exist?

So which is it? Is there a mountain of fossil evidence or is there none?

An insurmountable problem for evolutionists is that most of them recognize different significant problems with their 'theories', yet their explanations must necessarily imply that other 'theories of evolution' must be wrong. the disagreements within the environmentalist community is so vast, how can anyone honestly claim that evolution is a fact?

Just how many different theories of evolution are there?

726 posted on 01/27/2006 4:29:27 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: jennyp
If we can demonstrate to them that the basis for ethics lies in our nature as rational, volitional creatures, then perhaps we can also reassure them that men can indeed have morality—yet never fear to use that wondrous capacity which allows us to understand our own origins, the world around us, and the moral nature within us.

That's a big "if".

727 posted on 01/27/2006 4:30:57 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: Dimensio
They were not glued to trees to get specific results, you liar.

Then, why were they glued to trees?

728 posted on 01/27/2006 4:31:26 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
the disagreements within the environmentalist community is so vast, how can anyone honestly claim that evolution is a fact?

The Theory of Evolution is a theory. (Disagreements are over small details, nothing for creationists to get excited about.)

Just how many different theories of evolution are there?

Just one, and its a real good one too.

From an NSF abstract:

Those who oppose the teaching of evolution often say that evolution should be taught as a "theory, not as a fact." This statement confuses the common use of these words with the scientific use. In science, theories do not turn into facts through the accumulation of evidence. Rather, theories are the end points of science. They are understandings that develop from extensive observation, experimentation, and creative reflection. They incorporate a large body of scientific facts, laws, tested hypotheses, and logical inferences. In this sense, evolution is one of the strongest and most useful scientific theories we have.

Modified from RadioAstronomers's post #27 on another thread.


730 posted on 01/27/2006 4:36:28 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: connectthedots
Check out This post and explain to me why a published environmentalist would say transitional fossils haven't been found because they don't exist?

You know, you could've linked to the site directly rather than to one of your posts with the link embedded. Note, an evironmentalist is not a biologist or a paleontologist. Should I go to a lawyer for my medical checkups?

Please name a few of the "insurmountable problems" evolution has. You'll probably find they don't exist, having arisen from creationists' ignorance of biology in general and the theory in particular.

731 posted on 01/27/2006 4:36:33 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: sha2006

In what way do evolutionists not agree? Be specific. Like I said, these misconceptions might arise from an abyssmal ignorance of the actual theory.


733 posted on 01/27/2006 4:43:04 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Dimensio

All natural macro processes (those happening at less than .3 times the speed of light) result in matter moving to ever greater levels of disorder. More ordered forms of matter are only possible with large energy inputs, because so much is lost as entropy. I would like someone to approach the evolution problem mathematically.


734 posted on 01/27/2006 4:44:30 PM PST by Retain Mike
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To: Retain Mike
All natural macro processes (those happening at less than .3 times the speed of light) result in matter moving to ever greater levels of disorder.

Demonstrate this.
735 posted on 01/27/2006 4:45:34 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Junior
You know, you could've linked to the site directly rather than to one of your posts with the link embedded. Note, an evironmentalist is not a biologist or a paleontologist. Should I go to a lawyer for my medical checkups?

The link was to a thread posted by Patrick Henry, and I wanted to be honest about the context. The article that is the subject of that thread is from the university of Pittsburgh and is certainly pro-evolution.

Note, an environmentalist is not a biologist or a paleontologist.

What a desperate comment. Based on your statement, one should not listen to any environmentalist who is not also a biologist. What are your credentials?

736 posted on 01/27/2006 4:45:36 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: sha2006
What's the point?

I derive enjoyment from socializing with them. It's all just temporary.

So is everything in life. Why do you want things to be other than temporary?

Without an afterlife, everything is futile.

Why? Why are things not futile with an afterlife? Is your life so empty and devoid of meaning that the thought of an afterlife what keeps you going on? Honestly, if the things you have now don't give you satisfaction and enjoyment, how the hell are you going to enjoy yourself for eternity?

You might as well be a mass murderer.

But why would I want to be a mass murderer?
737 posted on 01/27/2006 4:47:33 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: connectthedots
" Then, why were they glued to trees?"

In ONE picture out of dozens, two moths were glued side by side on a tree to show the difference in the coloration between the dark and the light type and to insure a good picture. That's it. ALL the rest of the moths were pictured as they were found in the field. There was no fraud done in those multiple studies.

In nature photography, it is a very common practice to pin insects down. They are too difficult to keep still for the type of pictures that you would usually want in a magazine. The type taken for the study were not done that way, except for the one of both moths; this picture had no scientific value outside of showing the color variation.

Creationists need to do a little research before making the same old mistakes over and over.
739 posted on 01/27/2006 4:49:36 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: connectthedots
Then, why were they glued to trees?

To fully illustrate the colour contrast. Insects in the wild don't always rest in the best poses.

If it was fraud, what was the purpose of the fraud? What false claim(s) was the gluing of the moths attempting to spread
740 posted on 01/27/2006 4:49:38 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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