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To: JTN
It was Terri Michael who said that Terri said she didn't want to live like that. Oh, and his brother and his sister-in-law.

Whether Terri said anything can be disputed over and over. What cannot be disputed is that Terri never gave informed consent one way or the other. And she couldn't have, as when she collapsed, food and water administered via a feeding tube was considered ordinary and not extraordinary care. The law didn't change until 1999, after Michael has begun his petition to have her feeding tube removed.

Still, it wouldn't be such a big deal if they had just offered the woman food and water by mouth, but Judge Greer nixed that.

83 posted on 01/22/2006 3:39:47 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

"Still, it wouldn't be such a big deal if they had just offered the woman food and water by mouth, but Judge Greer nixed that."

And why was that? Because it was tested three times I believe and the results were she couldn't take in water or food by mouth.


84 posted on 01/22/2006 3:42:07 PM PST by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
It was Terri Michael who said that Terri said she didn't want to live like that. Oh, and his brother and his sister-in-law. Whether Terri said anything can be disputed over and over.

No it can't. Judge Greer's order:

"Statements which Terri Schiavo made which do support the relief sought by her surrogate (Petitioner/Guardian) include statements to him prompted by her grandmother being in intensive care that if she was ever a burden she would not want to live like that. Additionally, statements made to Michael Schiavo which were prompted by something on television regarding people on life support that she would not want [a] life like that also reflect her intention in this particular situation."

"Also the statements she made in the presence of Scott Schiavo at the funeral luncheon for his grandmother that "if I ever go like that just let me go. Don't leave me there. I don't want to be kept alive on a machine" and to Joan Schiavo following a television movie in which a man following an accident was in a coma to the effect that she wanted it stated in her will that she would want the tubes and everything taken out if that happened to her are likewise reflective of this intent."

"The court specifically finds that these statements are Terri Schiavo's oral declarations concerning her intention as to what she would want done under the present circumstances and the testimony regarding such oral declarations is reliable, is creditable and rises to the level of clear and convincing evidence to this court."

Three different people. Three different occasions. She said it.
115 posted on 01/22/2006 4:25:20 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: Ohioan from Florida
"Whether Terri said anything can be disputed over and over."

The judge who heard all the sworn testimony determined that he had "clear and convincing evidence" as to Terri's wishes. This is the legal standard approved by the citizens of Florida.

If you wish to dispute this over and over again, be my guest.

"Still, it wouldn't be such a big deal if they had just offered the woman food and water by mouth, but Judge Greer nixed that."

Because it had been previously determined, in 1990, 1991 and in 1992, that Terri could not swallow voluntarily.

316 posted on 01/23/2006 4:21:12 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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