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Terri Schiavo's former husband marries
cnn ^ | 1-22-06

Posted on 01/22/2006 11:35:40 AM PST by LouAvul

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To: robertpaulsen
Like all the other Terri-bots on this thread, you've got nothing but rumor, gossip, innuendo, character assassination, speculation, "unanswered questions", conspiracies -- everything but FACTS.

Ignorance is strength.

561 posted on 01/24/2006 9:50:10 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Haleigh Poutre, should they remove food and water, will be murdered

And if that happens due to a lack of public attention, then when make your accusations of who is at fault, be sure to do it while looking in a mirror. People are just going to see this as Terry Schiavo part II, remember the gossip, lies and outrageous accusations, and simply look away.

562 posted on 01/24/2006 9:54:12 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: robertpaulsen

The Terribots are nuts, and just waiting for the next case to exploit so they can pretend to feel all superior.

They were all against Clinton going against the rule of law, but in Terri's case they were willing to throw out the whole judicial system. Of course, libel and all that are secondary to their inflated sense of self righteousness.


563 posted on 01/24/2006 10:51:47 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (What would Jesus do......for a Klondike bar?)
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To: JTN
And if that happens due to a lack of public attention, then when make your accusations of who is at fault, be sure to do it while looking in a mirror. People are just going to see this as Terry Schiavo part II, remember the gossip, lies and outrageous accusations, and simply look away.

What on earth does that statement mean? What happened to Terri Schiavo seems to have paved the way for others to be treated similarly. Some of us do bother emailing, writing snail mail, and phoning the proper authorities. Oh wait a minute, now I get it! If anyone else dies like Terri, it will be our fault. Is that your point? If it is, it doesn't wash.

I can look in the mirror just fine. Can you?

564 posted on 01/25/2006 12:19:45 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("The Less You Have...The More They'll Take"- bf)
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To: blueriver
Ah. Mere coincidence then that the sudden falling out, after three years of an amicable relationship, occurred after Michael refused to sghare the money.

Yeah, right.

(But, thanks for the link and the documentation.)

565 posted on 01/25/2006 3:48:51 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: blueriver
"he was married to one and in a common law marriage to another."

Uh, no. Common law marriages were abolished in Florida in 1968. Michael was not married to two women at the same time. Michael was not a bigamist.

Cool it with your unfounded character assassinations.

566 posted on 01/25/2006 3:57:19 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: amdgmary
"...the impediment of crimen makes that new marriage automatically invalid.

Interesting. I was unaware of this canon law.

You have to wonder what difference it makes to Michael and Jodi? It might spoil an expensive church wedding. It might remind Jodi that her white dress didn't symbolize quite as much purity as other brides manage. It might remind Michael that he promised God to stand by Terri "in sickness and in health" and "forsaking all others." Other than that, if the church invalidates their marriage, it seems merely a formality. They were already flouting God's law.

567 posted on 01/25/2006 3:57:52 AM PST by T'wit (Brokeback Mountain: the love that dare not yippie-kai-yay-kai-yea its name.)
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To: Shalom Israel
"It's a matter of record that she was swallowing her saliva."

Nice dodge, hotshot. Second request. Are you saying the pharyngeal reflex was present in Terri?

568 posted on 01/25/2006 4:02:29 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: fatima

Essential to the argument, wouldn't you say? Now, the response to that question was boring, granted.


569 posted on 01/25/2006 4:03:59 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Nice dodge, hotshot. Second request. Are you saying the pharyngeal reflex was present in Terri?

Again, why do you struggle so? Swallowing of saliva can only be attributed to the pharyngeal reflex. Ergo, it was present. This fact is not even in dispute. Indeed, supporters of Michael Schiavo hasten to point out that "plenty of people with PVS retain the swallowing reflex," in order to counter incorrect claims that the reflex proves she is not in PVS.

Do you think it's entertaining to deny simple facts, or do you really not know any better?

570 posted on 01/25/2006 4:07:39 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
All true.

But the level of willful ignorance on this forum of the facts of this case was, and continues to be, astounding. Conservative talk radio was no exception either, and my attitude towards them has really changed -- I am now much more skeptical of what I hear, even from Rush.

571 posted on 01/25/2006 4:10:51 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Shalom Israel
"This fact is not even in dispute."

Go away. Come back when you have facts to present. I am not interested in your opinions about comatose patients or "plenty of people with PVS retain the swallowing reflex" anecdotes.

"In its order, the court noted evidence that: the Ward had three previous swallowing tests and annual reviews for a number of years thereafter; it is common that patients can swallow saliva but still need feeding tubes; the tests and evaluations showed the Ward had no swallowing reflex and there was a high risk of aspiration; the Ward had clenched jaw which would create a problem in oral feeding, assuming this was a possibility; attempts at oral nutrition would result in aspiration which would lead to infection, fever, cough andultimately pneumonia, which likely would be fatal; and, in any event, the Ward could not consume enough in this manner to sustain herself."

572 posted on 01/25/2006 4:36:50 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Ah. Mere coincidence then that the sudden falling out, after three years of an amicable relationship, occurred after Michael refused to sghare the money.

The falling out occurred after Michael got the money and decided to stop treating Terri. Now why is it you don't find that timing very odd.

573 posted on 01/25/2006 4:40:52 AM PST by blueriver
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To: robertpaulsen
Cool it with your unfounded character assassinations.

I have done nothing of the sort. The truth of the matter is that in many states in the USA when you live with a person for a certain amount of time you are considered married. He just happened to live in Fl where that is not the case. So legally he was not a bigamist in Fl. I said that. I said in "essense" he was, as defined in many other states in America. I have made nothing up.

574 posted on 01/25/2006 4:51:52 AM PST by blueriver
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To: robertpaulsen
"plenty of people with PVS retain the swallowing reflex" anecdotes.
In fact, the reflexive component of swallowing is often preserved to various degrees in patients with PVS (cf. Cole G, Cowie VA. Clin Neuropathol. 1987;6:104-9.)

That's a quote from a supporter of MS. And since your literacy is clearly challenged, I'll point out that the statement includes a citation from the literature. As for swallowing her own saliva, the following filed affidavits attesting that she did so:

Not to mention the fact that you yourself admit that she was swallowing her saliva. There is only one way to swallow one's saliva, and that is by means of the pharyngeal reflex. The reflex was therefore present. That's not a matter for banter; it's an elementary fact.

575 posted on 01/25/2006 5:30:07 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Palladin
http://www.canonlaw.info/a_schiavo.htm WEDDING WAS AGAINST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH?

Greer's is on the speaker circuit but he's not talking about Terri. He's afraid of www.jail4judges.com or .org. He's afraid to be held accountable. He looks awful. When he's not having fellow death cultists give him awards, he's on the bench hearing cases. He's a murderer and the trial lawyers who make money on defrauding wards of the state and then having them starved to death just luv the big lug.

See my tag line. Jeb Bush entertained the idea recently of impeaching Judge Greer. Maybe he'll follow through this time if he hears from Americans. There's ample evidence of Greer criminal activities. www.judgegeorgegreer.com

576 posted on 01/25/2006 5:37:12 AM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: robertpaulsen
Ah. Mere coincidence then that the sudden falling out, after three years of an amicable relationship, occurred after Michael refused to sghare the money.

As I have already shown you - via the Pearse report that what you state as fact is nothing more than Michaels WORD.

577 posted on 01/25/2006 6:29:09 AM PST by blueriver
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To: BykrBayb
Doncha know that when a judge/court rules it is never wrong. Why the imminent domain supreme court ruling was okay. They said it was.

IMO what was wrong in Terri's case was that there was not a signed paper from her and the court should have erred on the side of life/done more testing etc. This is just like the no smoking rules. One foot in the door. No smoking in workplaces - we won't touch bars/restaurants where the owners want it. Just let the homosexuals have their little "ceremonies" - it doesn't mean we will allow a marriage, for goodness sake. Like the king in Anna and the King said "etcetera - etcetera - etcetera"
578 posted on 01/25/2006 7:54:44 AM PST by gopheraj
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To: floriduh voter

Thanks for that number. I will be happy to get on the "Impeach Judge Greer" bandwagon.


579 posted on 01/25/2006 3:30:03 PM PST by Palladin (Senator Biden is a Moron with a capital "M".)
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To: Shalom Israel
You don't understand "anecdote"? Did I confuse you with a big word?

I couldn't care less how many patients with PVS can swallow and to what degree. Terri couldn't, as confirmed by the tests run on her.

"As for swallowing her own saliva, the following filed affidavits attesting that she did so:"

Save them. I never denied that she could swallow saliva.

"There is only one way to swallow one's saliva, and that is by means of the pharyngeal reflex."

And the only way to move your lower leg is to tap the patellar tendon with a reflex hammer. Go away with your "if she could swallow saliva, she could eat a T-bone steak" argument. You bore me.

580 posted on 01/25/2006 4:26:40 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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