Good luck.
Posted on 01/22/2006 11:35:40 AM PST by LouAvul
SAFETY HARBOR, Florida (AP) -- Terri Schiavo's former husband has married his longtime girlfriend, friends and family members say.
Michael Schiavo and his longtime girlfriend, Jodi Centonze, were wed Saturday at a church in Florida. The bride's brother says it was a very emotional ceremony.
Schiavo's former wife, Terri, had suffered severe brain damage more than a decade ago and died last March after her feeding tube was removed.
Michael Schiavo had argued his wife was in a vegetative state, and would not want to be kept alive artificially.
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The newlyweds first met in a dentist's office and began a relationship after Terri Schiavo was already in a nursing home. They have two young children.
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In response, you give me an opinion based on ... nothing. A disparaging opinion at that.
Yep. Catch them at just the right moment when they involuntarily swallow, then throw something down their throat. Now, if that's what you mean by "nourishment PO", then I agree.
But if you mean giving the patient food or water by placing that food or water in their mouth for them to swallow, well, Terri couldn't do that. They tested her. Three times. She couldn't do that.
What don't you understand?
Truth is, Judge Greer issued an order that forbid any attempts for her to swallow any food. Of course, I know you know that.
Ho ho! You suggest there is 'honor among thieves'?
He likely beat a woman once...he is likely capable of doing it again.
A person who cheats on their wife has a low threshold of doing things that are above board. One of the things that are high on the list of requiring a person to be above board is not lying. Since Michael has demonstrated his ability to cheat it is not a very big stretch to extend it to his ability to lie. So to base your premise on his ability to tell the truth is faulty.
Actually, Michael and her family got along quite well. Until they insisted on half of his $300K loss of consortium award and he refused. Then they started treating Michael like crap. Was that Terri's wish? Did she tell her parents to make Michael's life miserable by constantly taking him to court?
They got along well until Michael decided to stop treating Terri and put a DNR on her and started the process to have her killed. It was MS who took the action to destroy the comradeship with the parents. He knew very well that his decision to end her life would be impossible for her parents to take. In that very first act - he showed his true colors that he did not care about Terri or her family.
Anyone can say they will do something if A occurs, when they know A will never occur. It is PR, I call a spade a spade when I see it. I suspect it would be very easy to beat you at poker.
Hey robert, I have a medical problem which causes me to over produce saliva and is hard for me to swallow it now and than. Just cause a person can't swallow their own saliva does not mean their life is worthless.
Yep. An appropriate order, considering that Terri couldn't swallow.
The fact that he dated another woman (encouraged to do so by his wife's parents, by the way) when his wife was in a PVS does not constitute an inability to tell the truth. Not to me, it doesn't. And I don't know why it would to you.
My premise, however, is based on the judge's order. He was there. He saw and heard the actual testimony from all those concerned. He heard the cross examination. He came away with "clear and convincing" evidence as to Terri's wishes.
True, but I'm willing to make an exception for you.
Simply not true.
A lot of people do at one time or another. You made a good point; people at opposite ends of the political spectrum acted as one mind, if only for a short while. But it tore other groups apart, including this one. It's odd how different people can see things so differently.
Did God sacrifice Terri to send a message? Who knows?
I don't presume to know if there was a message. For now, those of us who were opposed have to suck it up, try not to entertain a spirit of vengeance, and watch and wait. The frustration is the injustice of it, if only man's injustice. Others see it completely the opposite. One thing I know, life if quirky and we are not the only generation of believers who have not had terrible trials in one form or another to endure.
I have become very lazy about emailing officials, because of not only health concerns, but also a move to a new home. I really think that the Pope has already heard about this, but if everyone who cares about it does send a communication, maybe it will hasten change here in the US. Ol' Rog in Los Angeles is already in the hot seat.
I lost all faith in the system, although there are still decent individuals. Sometimes it's good to write because we will at least have that to show that we just didn't cave in and do nothing on Judgement Day if there is one. Those higher in the food chain don't seem to care really. Most communications probably get deep sixed. I put all my faith and trust in Jesus Christ, not knowing where that will lead me. He proved Himself long ago to be trustworthy, endured to the end, and set an example for those who choose to follow Him.
I have had another personal setback in my life, and I will leave it in God and the Blessed Virgin's hands. It's all I can do. Of course there is another part of me that would like to go to Big 5 and pick up something to solve my problems. Praise the Lord that he helps me keep a level head and self control.
I am very sorry to hear that, and from the tone of your writing, it sounds serious. Whatever it is, please try to hang in there. Those who endure to the end will be saved. That is the promise. There are temptations; we must try to resist with all our being. They usually pass. Even if your life changes forever, it still has meaning.
I still believe those silly old fairy tales :-). Jesus evidently did, too. Often when things look so dark comes a new dawning. To be honest, I never expected to live as long as I have and see what I have seen. I have outlived people I never would have expected to. Others will outlive me. I think really hard things are coming, so comfort yourself that whatever you are called upon to endure, you will probably be spared the worst. We must pray hard for our loved ones who will outlive us.
Maybe we will yet see some justice for Terri. She lived a difficult life and died almost a crueler death than Our Lord. There has to be a reason for it. Sometimes I wonder if those who were so quick to end her life have judged themselves. I hope those of us who wanted her to live won't be forced to live like she had to.
My cat died in August. She taught me many things about love in the 21 years I had her. So often I took her for granted. She declined over the last couple of years, but had a "quality" cat life until the last week. She was happy. She purred until the last week. If there was a Guiness Book of Record for purring, she would have at least come close. She lost her appetite and I coaxed her to eat; she took less and less. She always wanted water until the last day. And she got it. With a big eyedropper at the end, slow drip by drip. She seemed to appreciate that little act of mercy as it meant comfort to her. When she got totally out of it, she was still able to communicate that she no longer wanted it and only lived a few more hours after that.
Several people told me to have her put to sleep. I stood my ground. I know that is what people do now with animals. I didn't want her last memory to be stuck in a box and put in the car, even though I know their memories are probably stored and processed differently than ours. She was at peace at home, didn't seem to suffer, and slept mostly, and felt loved and safe. That will sound ridiculous to some readers.
I will pray that you will be given a priceless gift in compensation for what you have to endure. I will pray for that for the Schindler's, too. It is not yet over.
That's what makes your ignorance so invincible: nothing seems to make you stop and check out the facts. "Involuntary" swallowing doesn't occur at random intervals, as you claim. It is a reflex action caused by the presence of saliva at the back of the mouth. That's why it's called a "reflex". It's also called the pharyngeal reflex, and is caused by stimulus of the pharyngeal area.
Were that not the case, the patient would aspirate whenever saliva happened to enter the throat and the patient wasn't coincidentally "swallowing involuntarily".
But if you mean giving the patient food or water by placing that food or water in their mouth for them to swallow, well, Terri couldn't do that. They tested her. Three times. She couldn't do that.
I've stated as clearly as I can: if a person swallows their saliva, they will also swallow other liquids placed in the mouth via the same reflex. That wasn't an interesting opinion; it was a definition of the pharyngeal reflex. It's the reason comatose patients can often be fed by mouth. When you contradict me, you're refusing delivery on a fact. This is not a subject for lively debate; it's something you look up--or, by failing to do so, demonstrate your ignorance to the world.
What don't you understand?
Why you can't absorb the obvious? I've never encountered anyone more impervious to facts than yourself.
Oh my, you really are stubborn, aren't you? Rest in peace? No, he finally fulfilled his promise to her. Trust me, I am personally familiar with those kinds of promises.
You aren't making any. All you do is claim that their testimony is tainted by "self-interest." What the self-interest is, you do not say.
We don't know his motivation. You claim to know it; I do not.
But he's a low-life regardless?
Regardless of whether that's what Terri wanted or not? So you really don't consider what Terri wanted important at all. All that matters is what you wanted for her.
Judge Greer's order was upheld. Confidence affirmed.
Why would you tell a transparent lie? Or, if you believe what you say above, why would you participate in a debate without basic comprehension skills?
The swallow tests (remember those?) showed that there were insufficient cranial sensory and/or motor pathways intact to elicit the pattern that propells the bolus near the back of the mouth to a position where the involuntary pharyngeal reflex component would take over. The bottom line? She couldn't swallow any more than minimal saliva production.
Give it up, you condescending twit.
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