Woot! Hey guys, he called me a heretic! I'm back in the game! (And here I thought I was losing my touch.)
Seriously, think about this before you start throwing around such nonsense labels. Yes, Yeshua the Messiah was fully God. He was also fully Man. However, there's no way you can seriously claim that Mary, a mortal, time-bound creature somehow gave birth to the "Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity" of the Immortal, Eternal, Creator God--the first two, yes, but not the last two. Thus, even using your terminology, we can say plainly that Mary was the mother of Yeshua's Man-nature, but not of His God-nature.
You either have to draw the distinction, or you have to claim that Mary is not only a goddess, but that she is greater than God.
The Mystery of the Incarnation blows your mind doesn't it?
As it does anyone who actually tries to think about it, yes.
He uses the issue of Divine and human often in his Gospel on the Word.
And this has what to do with the conversation at hand?
Oh yeah, Luke says something about Him being obedient unto them (Mary and Joseph). Guess He was "under their authority."
As a child growing up, yes. Having taken the form of Man so that He could keep the whole Torah in both letter and spirit, He had to operate as a son to human parents. He had "emptied Himself, and took upon Himself the form of a servant" (Php. 2:7). He was the servant of all, even washing His disciples' feet--but no one would claim that Kefa (Peter) orders Yeshua around, would they?
As the Resurrected Lord, no:
"He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God has highly exalted Him, and has given Him a name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of heavenly ones, and of earthly ones, and of ones under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Yeshua HaMashiach is Lord (i.e., the LORD, YHVH), to the glory of God the Father." (vv. 8-11)David was the Messiah's father (a few generations removed). In Jewish thought, no son was greater than his father, and yet, "How then does David by the Spirit call him Lord, saying, "the LORD (YHVH) said to my Lord, Sit on My right until I make Your enemies Your footstool for Your feet?" If David then calls Him Lord, how is He his son?" (Mat. 22:43-45)
In like manner, Miryam does not call Yeshua her son, but her Lord, and it is she who hastens to do His will, not vice-versa. As soon as you so much as hint otherwise, it is you who is the heretic, not I.
Even Scripture isn't backing you up with this statement.
And it came to pass, that, after three days, they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, hearing them, and asking them questions. And all that heard him were astonished at his wisdom and his answers. And seeing him, they wondered. And his mother said to him: Son, why hast thou done so to us? behold thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
-Luke 2: 46-48
My source. Check Hypostatic Union; Nestorian is the heresy, by the way.
He uses the issue of Divine and human often in his Gospel on the Word.
And this has what to do with the conversation at hand?
Much of what we know of the Trinity was derived from John's Gospel by Christ Himself in His own words. He recognizes in Himself His Divinity and His human Natures. This is played out in constant explanations.
In like manner, Miryam does not call Yeshua her son, but her Lord, and it is she who hastens to do His will, not vice-versa. As soon as you so much as hint otherwise, it is you who is the heretic, not I.
Sorry, friend, I missed the part where Jesus asked all those present to "take this down." Mary has few words in Scripture. How do you know what she called Him during His days on earth? And, since Scripture seems to be your sole Authority, could you indicate where the Canon is listed in the Bible indicating the precise books to be included?
Thanks!
Frank
You're a heretic if you're of the mind that Mary was just the mother of Jesus the human. Sorry. This was settled centuries ago. Feel free to recreate the wheel though.