[The Lumster]

there is hard physical evidence to support evolution.

Hard physical evidence????? Such as????????

And I don't mean evidence of intra-species evolution. I mean evidence of macro evolution - one species evolves into another. Where is that "evidence"

And since evolution seems to be "proven" in your mind, tell me exactly how science "reproduces" the results. If it cannot be reproduced it is just a theory isn't it? Or have the rules of scientific investigation been dumbed down in order to accomodate the belief system of evolution.?

BTW - I'm not even defending I.D. I'm just sick of judicial tyranny. The federal court has no business usurping the authority of the local school board in order to require the teaching of one theory over another.

[highball]

The federal court has no business usurping the authority of the local school board in order to require the teaching of one theory over another.

If that's your complaint, would you care to specifically illustrate the ways in which ID qualifies as a scientific theory?

[Coyoteman]

If it cannot be reproduced it is just a theory isn't it? Or have the rules of scientific investigation been dumbed down in order to accomodate the belief system of evolution.?

No, and no.

This is what a theory is. Reproducing something in the laboratory has nothing to do with it.

Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"

[narby]

I mean evidence of macro evolution - one species evolves into another. Where is that "evidence"

You mean like the smoking gun proof that many primate species, including humans, once had common ancestors millions of years ago?

It exists in the several thousand Endogenous Retro Virus DNA sequences that co-exist in genomes of these various species. ERV viruses insert their DNA into host DNA in random places, and on very rare events, that viral DNA is passed down to descendents. When we find such sequences in more than one species, it is proof that a single individual got a virus millions of years ago, and passed it to both species via evolution.

There are many more things these sequences tell us, such as the time since the species split (which conforms to morphological evidence dating).

You can argue against this. The OJ jury certianly did. But I wouldn't