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To: unlearner
"I'm giving you the chance to prove me wrong. If you're working on steps in the lab that may lead someday to life, what do you do with your equipment?"

No your not.

Ah, the endless brazen. We're in the Smoky Back Room, I could just let it die but it amuses me to see how long and with what compulsion you dance on. Why can't a creationist say the inconvenient thing?

There is a reason warm ponds do not fill up with proto-life chemicals waiting for a second, third, or ten-thousandth abiogenesis event. It is related to my laboraty procedure question. Anyone not an idiot can see it. What is your story here?

2,857 posted on 12/29/2005 2:58:31 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro
"There is a reason warm ponds do not fill up with proto-life chemicals waiting for a second, third, or ten-thousandth abiogenesis event."

But why is this important? OK. It is unlikely we will soon observe life originating outside of a lab. If so, it would be more likely somewhere other than on Earth. But this has little to do with my basis for testing my hypothesis.

We must go beyond understanding why a certain environment is not conducive to the formation of life, and identify exactly what environment might be.

Can you give me any reason why assembling life in a lab would be more difficult than allowing it to form spontaneously after identifying what conditions might allow it to do so?

Do you think assembling life is going to be easy to figure out, but a self-organizing principle will be hard?

Which came first, understanding the self organizing principles behind the periodic table or the creation of new forms of matter? If there is a self organizing principle for life, why would you expect it to be so difficult to find?

When life is some day formed in the lab, it will be via either intelligent assembly or by creating an environment conducive to some not yet known self organizing principle. (Or both may happen.)

If a self organizing principle is discovered and observed, my assertion will be disproved. If intelligent assembly is ever accomplished it will support my assertion in the limited sense that it will prove it is possible to assemble life.
2,913 posted on 12/31/2005 12:05:43 PM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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