To: VadeRetro
"There is a reason warm ponds do not fill up with proto-life chemicals waiting for a second, third, or ten-thousandth abiogenesis event."
But why is this important? OK. It is unlikely we will soon observe life originating outside of a lab. If so, it would be more likely somewhere other than on Earth. But this has little to do with my basis for testing my hypothesis.
We must go beyond understanding why a certain environment is not conducive to the formation of life, and identify exactly what environment might be.
Can you give me any reason why assembling life in a lab would be more difficult than allowing it to form spontaneously after identifying what conditions might allow it to do so?
Do you think assembling life is going to be easy to figure out, but a self-organizing principle will be hard?
Which came first, understanding the self organizing principles behind the periodic table or the creation of new forms of matter? If there is a self organizing principle for life, why would you expect it to be so difficult to find?
When life is some day formed in the lab, it will be via either intelligent assembly or by creating an environment conducive to some not yet known self organizing principle. (Or both may happen.)
If a self organizing principle is discovered and observed, my assertion will be disproved. If intelligent assembly is ever accomplished it will support my assertion in the limited sense that it will prove it is possible to assemble life.
2,913 posted on
12/31/2005 12:05:43 PM PST by
unlearner
(You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
To: unlearner
But why is this important? OK. It is unlikely we will soon observe life originating outside of a lab. If so, it would be more likely somewhere other than on Earth. But this has little to do with my basis for testing my hypothesis. I didn't bring it up. You did. I have all but told you why it is a strawman to say that if it ain't happenin' now, it didn't happen then. What is different now?
It's an integrity test and you're still flunking. Prove me wrong about you and say the words. Why can't you say the words?
2,917 posted on
12/31/2005 1:11:18 PM PST by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: unlearner
If there is a self organizing principle for life, why would you expect it to be so difficult to find? The first experiment ever done made amino acids from simple stuff. Were you expecting a salamander? Was there a deadline?
The real thing probably took 300K to half a billion years. If you aren't modeling that, you're just blowing smoke. (And you're staying militantly ignorant of the very subject matter you hope to dismiss, current scientific thinking on the origins of life.)
2,919 posted on
12/31/2005 1:15:11 PM PST by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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