Intelligent Design case decided - Dover, Pennsylvania, School Board loses [Fox News Alert]

Fox News | 12/20/05

[xzins]

I have heard that Darwin reimbraced Christianity before he died.....any knowledge of the veracity of that?

[Ichneumon]

I guess I'm wrong. Watching NBC Nightly news (I don't have cable anymore, don't ask) I saw one of the women who sued the school board. She is a religious woman who goes to church and strongly believes in God. So I guess my assumption that only atheists liked this decision was way off.

Another thing that some folks might find surprising is that in the Dover case, the prosecution's primary expert witness on the subject of evolution was biologist Kenneth R. Miller, who is a devout Christian. He authored the book, "Finding Darwin's God", about common ground between God and evolution. Nonetheless, he feels that "ID" doesn't belong in science class and is not itself a science. He makes a good case for that position, and I (and many other people) agree with it.

[PatrickHenry]

First the debunking of the Marx/Stalin/Darwin connection.. Now, the debunking of the 'Darwin recant' story... Next....

It's all been debunked, over and over. But it lives on in the creationist websites. From there, the stuff keeps finding its way into our threads. Endless nonsense.

[Ichneumon]

You see, I don't believe it was some massive weight of evidence that led all these people to believe in Marxism and Freudianism. I believe it was more presuppositional than evidential.

And you'd be right. But that is not the case for evolutionary biology, which has been built upon, and validated by, an overwhelming amount of evidence, along multiple independently cross-confirming lines.

[Ceewrighter]

Right.

[andysandmikesmom]

You just said thanks and all those who helped us along will see that and appreciate it...

[VadeRetro]

ID does not require the designer to be a sentient being.

What do you think you're doing on these threads? Tell me a story about where all the kinds of life we see on Earth now came from.

[ml1954]

FYI. O'Reilly and Napalitano(?) just trashed the decision

[andysandmikesmom]

Inconsistent testifying, or misspeaking or just plain lying, its all about the same thing...and your are right, there sure is a lot of it going on here...

[Fester Chugabrew]

. . . biologist Kenneth R. Miller, who is a devout Christian.

What evidence leads you to conclude Kenneth R. Miller is "a devout Christian," and what does this observation have to do with the veracity, or lack thereof, in deducing intelligent design from the presence of organized matter the behaves according to predictable laws?

[VadeRetro]

Do you know what these words mean?

I shd prefer the Part or Volume not to be dedicated to me (though I thank you for the intended honour) as this implies to a certain extent my approval of the general publication, about which I know nothing...

[4woodenboats]

Telling me i "gotta believe" isn't science.

Are you saying you are bucking the trend to blindly accept Darwinism?

[andysandmikesmom]

I know its a lot of endless nonsense, and it unfortunately does keep popping up here...but, thankfully, there are more than enough folks here, who know where to guide those of us who are looking for 'facts', not made up stories...

It probably is a bit trying for the regulars to keep going over and over the same stuff, but from me, and I am sure, from many other posters, and from all the lurkers, we send our many thanks....be patient with us, we are learning, and the only way we will learn is to ask questions...

Appreciate the time you all give to us..

[CarolinaGuitarman]

And the important thing too is that the book Darwin declined to have dedicated to him was not Kapital, but a book called *The Student Darwin*. There was never an attempt by Marx to have Kapital dedicated to Darwin.

[Ben Chad]

Just damn - good news.

[Ceewrighter]

This issue is still being debated. And, as was mentioned earlier, was only explored after citing the inconsistencies. Still, the fact remains: there are wide gaps in the fossil record - especially when tracing human descent

[VadeRetro]

You are stretching for something, but you are not reaching it.

Too much stretching turns into what Mark Twain called "stretchers."

[Fester Chugabrew]

They mean Darwin was smart enough to weasel his way out of directly endorsing a controversial publication. Some might call it "testifying inconsistently."

[Dimensio]

I have heard that Darwin reimbraced Christianity before he died.....any knowledge of the veracity of that?

The only source of that claim is the debunked "Lady Hope" story. She claimed that Charles personally told her of his rejection of Christianity at his deathbed, but none of Charles Darwin's immediate family ever remembered her being there or remembered him ever expressing such sentiments.

[DaGman]

Isn't it interesting how anytime a judge doesn't rule the way someone wants, the judge is knee-jerkedly labeled "activist" and legislating from the bench. All from people who claim to read and understand the constitution but fail to read and comprehend science.