Posted on 12/20/2005 7:54:38 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
To be comparing Marx, Stalin, etc to the people that crucified Christ is a little insulting. Besides, how does it relate the the argument/debate at hand, evolution vs intelligent design?
"This was found in rock dating back 100,000,000 years, so the fossil is 100,000,000 million years!!! Is that not also circular reasoning?"
That's classical circular reasoning. In addition, evolution cannot explain the huge gaps in fossil records.
I find that it's typically difficult to employ ridiculous analogies as a counterpoint when dealing with those who already accept ridiculous analogies as valid logical reasoning.
You got me on that one! I just want people to be able to think for themselves and not have the government tell us what we can or cannot learn! I have been busting everyone's chops!
No, why do you ask?
Which ones is it insulting to?
Marx gave rise to an ideology that Stalin used to impoverish and kill millions of people. The not-death of Christ on the cross led to the potential for the salvation of us all according to Christian doctrine as I understand it.
Where do you stand on the Theory of Exclamation Marks?
The government never told us what we can and cannot learn.
After this searching and careful review of ID as espoused by its proponents, as elaborated upon in submissions to the Court, and as scrutinized over a six week trial, we find that ID is not science and cannot be adjudged a valid, accepted scientific theory as it has failed to publish in peer-reviewed journals, engage in research and testing, and gain acceptance in the scientific community. ID, as noted, is grounded in theology, not science. Accepting for the sake of argument its proponents, as well as Defendants argument that to introduce ID to students will encourage critical thinking, it still has utterly no place in a science curriculum. Moreover, IDs backers have sought to avoid the scientific scrutiny which we have now determined that it cannot withstand by advocating that the controversy, but not ID itself, should be taught in science class. This tactic is at best disingenuous, and at worst a canard. The goal of the IDM is not to encourage critical thought, but to foment a revolution which would supplant evolutionary theory with ID.
To conclude and reiterate, we express no opinion on the ultimate veracity of ID as a supernatural explanation. However, we commend to the attention of those who are inclined to superficially consider ID to be a true scientific alternative to evolution without a true understanding of the concept the foregoing detailed analysis. It is our view that a reasonable, objective observer would, after reviewing both the voluminous record in this case, and our narrative, reach the inescapable conclusion that ID is an interesting theological argument, but that it is not science.
Enough Already! Placemarker. See you all tomorrow. Anybody want to offer a spread on how big this thread will grow?
"Where do you stand on the Theory of Exclamation Marks?"
They are footprints of the angels. Those who claim them as mere punctuation marks should accept the teaching of this competing theory...
Then ID should have no problem with natural selection, which is a non-sentient designer.
"How long did it take to build a coherent table of chemical elements?"
Dimitri Ivanovitch Mendeleev invented the periodic table of elements. The table contained elements that had not yet been discovered but have subsequently by later scientists. A very interesting story found here;
http://www.zephyrus.co.uk/dimitrimendeleev.html
Precisely. The ToE can qualify as an intelligence....any organizing principle that enables the awesome complexity all around us.
What ID has done is demonstrated that the ToE has significant problems...it was a criticism of weaknesses in ToE.
The major criticism is that there is not enough time to accomodate the vast complexity evident in the lifeforms all around us.
"I could have sworn that you've already been directed to information that proves you wrong. Are you lying again? That does seem to be a safe assumption with you."
I have already read your speciation FAQ and it proves, to me, that I'm right - speciation has never been observed nor has it been proven occurring.
Now, you may think differently and that's fine with me.
Where did you get that impression? I know of no schools that actually teach "there is no God" (there are some things that some touch people have *mistaken* for such a curriculum, but that's a different issue), and if there were I'd think they could be successfully sued on the same kind of grounds as the Dover school.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.