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Intelligent Design Might Be Meeting Its Maker
The New York Times ^ | December 4, 2005 | LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Posted on 12/03/2005 5:28:45 PM PST by Right Wing Professor

TO read the headlines, intelligent design as a challenge to evolution seems to be building momentum.

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Behind the headlines, however, intelligent design as a field of inquiry is failing to gain the traction its supporters had hoped for. It has gained little support among the academics who should have been its natural allies. And if the intelligent design proponents lose the case in Dover, there could be serious consequences for the movement's credibility.

On college campuses, the movement's theorists are academic pariahs, publicly denounced by their own colleagues. Design proponents have published few papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; evochat; intelligentdesign
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To: PatrickHenry
Oh I see if anyone disagrees with all of you "intellects" then they must be a troll?

As I said, If you have a problem with Conservative Christians, then you have a problem with the very foundation of this nation, But, since I can't compete with all of the close mindedness, and Anti Christ on this thread, you have your request, this will be my last response on this thread, I leave it to all of you heathen, that trust science over reason.
881 posted on 12/05/2005 5:14:55 PM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; Coyoteman
... all of you heathen, that trust science over reason.

Sad. But whatcha gonna do?

882 posted on 12/05/2005 5:22:13 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry
... all of you heathen, that trust science over reason.

Sad. But whatcha gonna do?

Easy, go find a nice glass of merlot, what else? [And here I was being nice, too.]

883 posted on 12/05/2005 5:24:52 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: whispering out loud
As I said, If you have a problem with Conservative Christians, then you have a problem with the very foundation of this nation

There are plenty of conservative Christians who accept evolution (along with the rest of modern science). Creationism is not synonymous with conservative Christianity.

884 posted on 12/05/2005 5:28:09 PM PST by curiosity
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To: andysandmikesmom

You say that you do not have much science background.

I have noted that your posts are well grounded and sincere.

Should you have any questions I can help with, please ask. Teaching is a true passion with me and there is nothing as gratifying as a willing student.


885 posted on 12/05/2005 6:09:05 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: Quark2005
"Science over reason" placemarker
886 posted on 12/05/2005 6:35:24 PM PST by Quark2005 (No time to play. One post per day.)
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To: Coyoteman

I'll keep that in mind should I ever get out west again. I know animals also tend to chase so it's never wise to run from some. I've seen the lions at the local zoo do it when they see a little kid dash across the open area near their pen. That could be why they go after the bikers.


887 posted on 12/05/2005 6:39:10 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Gumlegs

I about got run down on a cross country ski trail by some ______ (insert derogatory word of choice here) who was on a snowmobile pulling his kids on a sled, when EVERYONE else was on their own two feet, er... skis. He was a menace to everyone else and ruined the peace and serenity of the scene with that ________ machine.


888 posted on 12/05/2005 6:43:56 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: whispering out loud
But, since I can't compete with all of the close mindedness, and Anti Christ on this thread, you have your request, this will be my last response on this thread,

Another dishonest creationist can't stand his lies being exposed and runs away like a coward rather than admit his mistakes.
889 posted on 12/05/2005 6:58:14 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: muir_redwoods

Are you serious about the whipped topping stuff?

If you have a cite, I'd like to store it in my "just damn" collection.


890 posted on 12/05/2005 6:59:52 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
“Yesterday, this day’s madness did prepare” . . . . . Omar Khayyam, The Rubaiyat

The creationists do think that science is a democratic process.

Well, who told them that? Let’s see . . . how does it work? You have a governing authority of some kind . . . a commission; a board; a legislature. Sometimes appointed by an elected authority; sometimes elected directly; created by certain political processes from as simple an initiative as a policy or a law, to as fundamental a process as by charter or by constitution. Each governing authority has jurisdiction over certain specified responsibilities, sometimes constructed quite narrowly, sometimes very broadly. Oddly enough, it unfolds that one of those activities happens to be the establishment and administration of government indoctrination centers, otherwise known as ‘public schools,’ which are funded by the people’s resources, as are all government powers.

Oh, wait . . .

Remarkably, it seems that two candidates for a Kansas authority have played and won the game exactly by the rules. They made clear what their agenda would be, they submitted themselves to the judgment of the people of Kansas, and they garnered more support than their opponents were able to muster. Though it’s surely a bit too melodramatic to assert that anyone thinks science is a democratic process, it’s clear that in Kansas, as it is in the whole of the US, educational standards, including standards for the teaching of science, are a democratic process, as they have been for well over a century.

Reality doesn't answer to a vote.

It doesn’t?! From what planet have you been viewing this controversy? In a representative republic, reality answers to majority’s vote all the time. But it is true that we don’t always like the answer we get from reality when it’s abused by majority’s vote. Your angst is a classic example. I doubt this condition will inspire any self-examination on your part, though, only finger-pointing.

891 posted on 12/05/2005 7:25:31 PM PST by YHAOS
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placemarker


892 posted on 12/05/2005 7:27:24 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: YHAOS
Science is not a democracy.

"“Reality doesn't answer to a vote.”


It doesn’t?! From what planet have you been viewing this controversy?"

Earth. Reality is what it is no matter what anybody wishes it to be. You can't vote away gravity... or evolution.

"In a representative republic, reality answers to majority’s vote all the time."

Postmodernist horse manure. Reality answers to nobody.

"Your angst is a classic example."

You're projecting again. You are the one with the angst. I am perfectly fullfilled with what I believe and what I know.

"I doubt this condition will inspire any self-examination on your part, though, only finger-pointing."

Actually it just makes me wonder what you have been drinking tonight to write such a rambling, incoherent post.
893 posted on 12/05/2005 7:32:17 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Reality is what it is no matter what anybody wishes it to be. You can't vote away gravity... or evolution.

Nonresponsive, Sir. The issue is teaching standards, and if education is to be financed by government, then the standards must be subject to public policy. If, that is, we are to maintain our practice that a public voice be present where public monies are involved. You want to have your cake and eat it too. You want, that is, the benefit of public support without public participation. “Send your money, and shut up.” Archetypical Liberal schtick. With all the attendant blowing of smoke.

If you don’t want to play, then say so. Or just don’t respond. Your actual response is so empty, it’s embarrassing.

894 posted on 12/05/2005 9:23:32 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

I do believe you are knit-picking.

I provided access to well over a thousand names.

Now let's see why Coyne was wrong here:

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=2933&program=CSC+-+Views+and+News


895 posted on 12/05/2005 9:34:56 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: All

Anybody ever stop to think that evo scientists are in it for the money? Shhhhhhhhhh

Coyne and his fellow Darwinists love to chant that the evidence for Darwinism is "overwhelming" -- and so it is, if we have to shovel it. How could it be otherwise? For decades, Darwinism has enjoyed a taxpayer-supported monopoly in the biological sciences. Scores of journals dedicated to advancing it have churned out literally tons of articles. Anyone who actually reads the literature of evolutionary biology with an open mind, however, soon realizes that almost all of it simply assumes that the theory is true. What is "overwhelming" is not the evidence, but the faith it takes to call Darwinian evolution a fact even after 150 years of failing to find much of any evidence for its core tenets.


This is why Darwinists cannot allow biology students to think critically about evolution, much less to hear about alternative theories such as intelligent design.

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=2933&program=CSC+-+Views+and+News


896 posted on 12/05/2005 9:36:39 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: Sun
BS.

Oh, up on #895, it is nit picking, not knit picking.

Nit: The egg of a louse or other parasitic insect. Louse nits can be seen on the head feathers of most martins and appear as tiny, white capsules. The lice that parasitize Purple Martins spend their entire life cycle on the birds and therefore, travel with them to Brazil and back each year, nestled among their feathers. Martins frequently engage in head scratching to relieve the irritation cause by the lice crawling there. ..

897 posted on 12/05/2005 9:47:33 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: From many - one.

Just Google "Burger King"+Allah and pick your story. There are dozens from the UK


898 posted on 12/06/2005 2:09:45 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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Can't resist ...


899 posted on 12/06/2005 3:57:05 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: longshadow

900


900 posted on 12/06/2005 3:57:08 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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