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Intelligent Design Might Be Meeting Its Maker
The New York Times ^ | December 4, 2005 | LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Posted on 12/03/2005 5:28:45 PM PST by Right Wing Professor

TO read the headlines, intelligent design as a challenge to evolution seems to be building momentum.

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Behind the headlines, however, intelligent design as a field of inquiry is failing to gain the traction its supporters had hoped for. It has gained little support among the academics who should have been its natural allies. And if the intelligent design proponents lose the case in Dover, there could be serious consequences for the movement's credibility.

On college campuses, the movement's theorists are academic pariahs, publicly denounced by their own colleagues. Design proponents have published few papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: crevolist; evochat; intelligentdesign
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To: Agdistis

"If you wish to believe you came from a drip and evolved from an ape then so be it but don't push your ideas onto me. :)"

I didn't think you had a rational response.

BTW, not only did we evolve from an ape, we ARE apes. :)


701 posted on 12/04/2005 5:40:19 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Sun
I thought the subject was ID.

And yet my post that you chose to respond to - unsolicited, naturally - was about the debate tactics of IDists. Now you apparently don't want to discuss that any more. As I said, probably a good move on your part. A better one still might have been not to jump in in the first place.

702 posted on 12/04/2005 5:40:19 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow (Sneering condescension.)
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To: Agdistis
evolved from an ape...

See Posts #572, 584, and 614, this thread.

This is data. This is evidence. What say you?

703 posted on 12/04/2005 5:41:01 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Agdistis
It is the Atheist that tries to strip the rights of believers not vice versa.

It is the Christians of Kansas that attempt to "prove" the existence of God by redefining science itself. Any true believer should reject such illegitimate means of promoting faith.

704 posted on 12/04/2005 5:43:42 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Wow, that was fast. Some of you must sit by the computer all day (not that there's anything wrong with that).

When I asked you for a post #, you made a silly joke, so I figured you did not want to discuss it any more. Have you changed your mind?

And you avoided my question about the reading assignment that I gave you. It was short.

Maybe you didn't like the subject. Here's another reading assignment, unless you're afraid to debate the topic:

http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/08dna04.htm


705 posted on 12/04/2005 5:46:01 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

"I didn't think you had a rational response.

BTW, not only did we evolve from an ape, we ARE apes. :)"

Is THIS an example of a rational response?


706 posted on 12/04/2005 5:48:25 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: Sun
"Is THIS an example of a rational response?"

Yes. It is also true. We ARE apes. And we are also mammals, and vertebrates, and eukaryotes...
707 posted on 12/04/2005 5:50:02 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Sun
Careful Sun, they might unleash their thermodynamicmockery FSM weapon on you LOL!

Wolf
708 posted on 12/04/2005 5:50:10 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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Typical Unfunny Creationist Fanboy Placemarker
709 posted on 12/04/2005 5:51:05 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: whispering out loud
The statement was fallacious? I think not, I could not begin to name the languages that the "Holy Bible" has been translated to, I personally have seen American of course, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, German, and French. But there are more, and there are new translations being written every day.

Wow. I've never seen a point missed by anywhere near that much. Here's the point: The number of languages a book has been translated into has no bearing whatever on the accuracy of its contents.

710 posted on 12/04/2005 5:51:48 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Sun
Don't expect to much for the cause of evo-cultism in the name of science from that source.

Wolf
711 posted on 12/04/2005 5:53:50 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: Sun
Wow, that was fast.

Your lucky day.

When I asked you for a post #, you made a silly joke, so I figured you did not want to discuss it any more.

And I am responsible for your misunderstanding how, exactly?

And you avoided my question about the reading assignment that I gave you.

Yawn. Been there, done that. Since you've obviously given up any hope of making your opponents the bad guys in the guilt-by-association game, feel free to move on, I guess. Tell you what - pick out your favorite argument from that mess, present it, and I'll shoot more holes in it than a shotgunned swiss cheese. Deal?

712 posted on 12/04/2005 5:54:40 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow (Sneering condescension.)
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To: Agdistis
SO you are admitting man isn't perfect? I already know the answer but thanks for making my point in a very long roundabout way. :)

Whatever would lead you to think that anyone, anywhere, could possibly believe man is perfect?

713 posted on 12/04/2005 5:54:41 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Coyoteman

Don't forget to ask for nouns.


714 posted on 12/04/2005 5:55:52 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Agdistis
SO you are admitting man isn't perfect? I already know the answer but thanks for making my point in a very long roundabout way. :)

Is that you again, Cash? Haven't you worn out your welcome here by threatening JimRob?

715 posted on 12/04/2005 5:57:23 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Gumlegs
Don't forget to ask for nouns.

What's this, a new way to play Jeopardy?

716 posted on 12/04/2005 5:58:08 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: RunningWolf
evo-cultism

LOL

717 posted on 12/04/2005 5:59:23 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: Coyoteman

I'll take "incomprehensible questions devoid of sentence structure" for $100, Alex.


718 posted on 12/04/2005 6:00:22 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Senator Bedfellow

How about starting with the two links I gave you?


719 posted on 12/04/2005 6:05:43 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Speak for yourself.

No wonder I'm better looking than you. lol


720 posted on 12/04/2005 6:06:49 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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