Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 17

[Slings and Arrows]

Previous thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1471591/posts

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 29, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Stunning new information about Joran van der Sloot's (search) lies. Less than 24 hours after Natalee Holloway (search) disappeared, before he was questioned by police, Joran Van Der Sloot had already made up a story about what happened that night.
Charles Croes spoke with Joran in the early morning hours of May 31. Earlier today, Charles told us about that conversation.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?
CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?
C. CROES: Well, I have a sail rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.
VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?
C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.
VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say to you?
C. CROES: He told me that he needed my help. And I asked him what it was about. And he told me that it had to do something with a cell phone. And I didn't relate it to anything but work at that point.
And then he said, "There is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones." And I said, "OK." And he said, "It's very, very important." I said, "Fine," and I asked him to go into further details, and he did. And then I made arrangements to go see him.
8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888

did we ever learn who Croes' "major friend" is/was?

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"...how much the two security guards will be awarded that the Sloots fingered?"

I'll bet that they are feeling VERY lucky to not have been murdered in the jail and had this crime completely attributed to them, as I believe was the plan on day 3 or so of this case.....they owe their very lives to the persistence of Beth and the fact that she got info on VDS so very early.

[Canadian Outrage]

I wonder what or WHO turned Croes so dramatically?

[shebacal]

Did anyone watch "The Lineup" on Fox last night?

Arlene was saying there were never any comfirmed reports of missing fish traps, and that it was only a rumor. She said she had talked to a couple of polis that told her this info.

Then she said these kinds of fish traps would be difficult to get a body into.

This is a picture of a fish trap that Scared Monkeys showed with the article of Tim Miller and Equusearch returning to Aruba to continue their search.

Arlene seemd to me to be trying to dampen TES' continuation of the search into deep waters. I wonder why?

[nuntukamen]

not that i am aware of...this was one of those subjects that was supposed to be exposed in some of the first few dozen "we are doing our investigation this way" red herrings that ALE tossed around early on; it was never revealed because the investigations became the next definition issued by ALE and nothing much was done...and i think his "major friend" has since reversed the request and asked him to completely shut the hell up

[shebacal]

http://www.blogsfornatalee.com/

Was Natalee’s Body Put In A Fishnet? (VIDEO)
January 15th, 2006

Tim Miller of Equusearch and Arlene Ellis-Schipper, an attorney in Aruba, phoned in on last night’s edition of The Line Up to discuss a possible rumor that Natalee’s body was put in a fishnet to be eaten by sealife.

http://www.blogsfornatalee.com/
Video down loadable from www.thepoliticalteen.com

[shebacal]

http://www.bwcitypaper.com/1editorialbody.lasso?-token.folder=2006-01-12&-token.story=149642.112112&-token.subpub=

By Chuck Geiss - January 12, 2006

The year 2005 will be remembered for three major news stories that should continue to make headlines this year: the trial of Healthsouth founder Richard Scrushy; the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba; and Hurricane Katrina.

Snip...
Natalee Holloway’s mysterious disappearance in Aruba during a high school graduation trip drew unprecedented attention from the national media. While fresh news is now rare, a newly published article by Bryan Burroughs in Vanity Fair provides the most recent account of what happened on the island during the weeks following Holloway’s disappearance. The article provides few new facts, but more sensationally it points a finger at the Twitty family for being heavy-handed with the police. Burroughs proposes that their approach hindered the investigation, but the Vanity Fair article gives an incomplete account of what the Twittys and the Holloways endured in the search for their daughter. Moreover, two of Burroughs’ primary sources should be challenged.

Gerald Dompig, the island’s deputy chief of police, characterizes the Twittys and their American friends as unnecessarily aggressive and unruly during the early weeks of the search.

However, I visited the Twittys on the island two weeks after Natalee’s disappearance, and the family’s temperament was much calmer than I had expected. A tense situation was made worse by a series of tips and leads that sent the family and friends in dozens of different directions while police remained remarkably unfazed. The family complied with island officials for weeks and turned to the international media only after concluding that continued silence about their frustrations was a losing proposition. Unfortunately, Vanity Fair did not report the full extent of the family’s travails.

Burroughs’ other doubtful source is Julia Renfro, an American-born newspaper reporter who works at one of the island’s dailies. She befriended the Twittys at first, but has since turned on them, which is a substantial aspect of Burroughs’s Vanity Fair story. Renfro was seemingly a big help to the family in the initial weeks of the search, but her motives for doing so are dubious. It is my contention she was either a newspaper reporter aggressively interested in getting a story or just someone starved for attention.

The reason Renfro suddenly found the Twittys disinterested in her help was the fact that she also orchestrated, or at least contributed to, one of the cruelest hoaxes of the investigation. Twelve days after Natalee’s disappearance, Renfro suddenly appeared in downtown Oranjestad where Jug Twitty had made an unplanned stop to buy some clothes (the circumstances surrounding how she found him remain mysterious). Renfro was hysterical over news that Natalee had been found dead and her body had been moved to the island’s courthouse. When asked where she had learned these details, she claimed it had come from one of her regular sources, a deputy information officer in the justice department.

What followed was a frantic, ten-block car race to the courthouse made more uncomfortable by the fact that Renfro had pushed herself into the family’s already full minivan (she took a spot on the console), conspicuously inserting herself, perhaps now as a newspaper reporter, into the unfolding story. Upon arriving at the courthouse, a throng of television cameras met the family. What happened next was a long, uncomfortable walk to the courthouse where Jug and his friends found a locked door and an apparently empty building. It was later learned that no justice department official had ever leaked the information. The incident was yet another nightmarish spectacle that the family endured during weeks of searching for their daughter. Renfro’s contribution to the occasion was the beginning of the end of her association with the family (another fact not found in the Vanity Fair story). It should be considered that while the search for Natalee Holloway continues, it took weeks for the family to figure out which personalities on the island were credible or not, which has led to some hurt feelings along the way.

[shebacal]

From "The Lineup" video:

Arlene: The fishing huts are not closed...you can't close them...they are just a roof...and they are open for everybody to just go under, so nobody keeps their fish traps there.

Arlene: I think, indeed, because the police has requested Equusearch to do some dives again that people start to wonder and think that oh, maybe it's because of that rumor.

Arlene: Because normally a body would not remain in the same place...so if there were places of interest maybe that's why it was kept in a cerain place...blah-blah-blah.

Arlene: This search is a result of new places of interest.

Tim Miller: Dompig said we need to be out 3 to 5 miles...Dompig told us he felt that she was put in that and then there were rocks and stuff put in that and that she was taken out and put in the sea.

[RGVTx]

Arlene: The fishing huts are not closed...you can't close them...they are just a roof...and they are open for everybody to just go under, so nobody keeps their fish traps there.
------

As I listened to Arlene say this I thought "you lying cockroach!" We've seen the pictures of the fishermens' huts and there is an enclosed area. They are not completely open with just a roof. Anyone have that picture handy to post?
Arlene is lying or my eyes are failing me.

[shebacal]

I've been looking for a picture of the fishermen's huts - haven't found any yet.

I just reread on America's Most Wanted that:

"Today, the crew and I went back with Dave Holloway to the makeshift memorial. To most people the cross might seem like a touching tribute to the missing teenager. But the more Dave told me, the more I began to believe this cross might be an important clue in the search for Natalee.

Here's why: Just 300 yards away from the boat launch is a series of fishing huts that have become infamous on the island. In sworn statements, the three lead suspects in Natalee's disappearance -- Joran van der Sloot, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe -- told police that they left Natalee at those fishing huts the night of her disapperance.

But the news gets worse. According to police the huts were broken into around the time of her disappearence; a large knife and a huge steel fishing cage were stolen. Publicly, the police aren't linking the events. But they've asked Tim Miller to bring a deep sea search team to scan the entire coast near the boat launch -- keeping an eye out for a fishing cage."

Let's see, 300 yards away from the fishermen's huts there is a boat launch. Koen has a boat on a trailer. The fishermen's huts are broken into and a knife and huge fishing cage were stolen.

[RGVTx]

Great find, Sheba. Looks like the ALE told the truth at least once. Even ALE proves Arlene to be a liar. Notice the door on that "roof only" hut?

[Palladin]

Does Arlene ever get dizzy from the spin?

[LucyT]

Here are updated pictures of Fisherman's Huts; they look newly constructed. These were posted January 9, 2006:

http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

[RGVTx]

Thanks, Lucy. Here's the new fishermans' huts pictures. Looks very different than the original image I posted up thread.

[LucyT]

Thanks, RGVTx. The original image is the one we ALL remember.

[RGVTx]

I think someone in Aruba is trying to pull another fast one with the new fishermen huts picture. Those are not the same as the first hut picture. The new one shows two posts supporting the front of the roof...one at each corner. The original fisherman hut picture shows a support post in the middle of the front roof line.

The original picture shows a door in the middle of the wall under the roof, indicating a room behind the door. If it is just a back wall as the new picture shows, then why have a door in a one walled hut? Who needs a door when there are three open sides to the hut? It does not make sense.

[Canadian Outrage]

I couldn't give a flying fig what that lying witch Arlene has to say. In fact, I would believe the opposite of anything she says. There is, of course, still the cemented over cistern on Sluts property. I WON'T be satisfied until that has been cleared. In fact, I'd like to see his entire property dug up. While were at it why don't we demolish his house too LOL!!

[Canadian Outrage]

No your right, Arlene is a lying cockroach!! Always has been.

[RGVTx]

CO, we forgot the 'screaming' part. Arlene is a lying, screaming cockroach!

Hey Arlene, we're still waiting to see that film footage of Beth meeting with KJ you screamingly told us you have?

Can we find someone to follow Arlene around to slap duct tape over her lying lips?

[Canadian Outrage]

How about we wire her jaw shut???