Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 17

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Previous thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1471591/posts

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10836208/

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Jan. 12th
Read the transcript to the Thursday show

Guests: Eileen O‘Connor, Sheldon Chandler, Peggy Chandler, John Q. Kelly, Tim Miller, Beth Holloway Twitty, Al Gerhardstein, Kathy Harrell, James Whitaker, Jackie Kidney, JoJo Gator

RITA COSBY, HOST: ...And searchers are back on the case in the Natalee Holloway mystery. But get this. They aren‘t Aruban investigators. What are they doing? Natalee‘s mom is going to join me live.

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And still ahead, everybody, late developments out of Aruba tonight in the Natalee Holloway case. It involves the prime suspect‘s father. Details are ahead, some new details coming in. Natalee‘s mom is going to join me live.

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COSBY: And now to some new developments in another case that we have been following very closely, the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Tomorrow, crews are headed back to Aruba to search the waters off the island‘s southwest coast. It‘s not the first time divers have searched Aruban waters, but a tip from investigators has prompted a return to the island.

LIVE & DIRECT tonight are Tim Miller with Texas EquuSearch, a group that has helped in the search for Natalee since the very beginning. And also here is underwater specialist James Whitaker.

Tim, let me start with you. Why is this search different now?

TIM MILLER, EQUUSEARCH DIRECTOR: Well, we actually got the information—Dave Holloway, Natalee‘s father, and I got the information when we went to Aruba the last time that they felt as though there was a strong possibility that Natalee was actually put in one of them huge fish traps and taken out three to five miles in the water.

COSBY: And this was near the fisherman‘s hut, where all the guys have said that they were and admitted to being there? And that‘s why—it was also broken into, right? There was a knife missing.

When I was down there, I know Art Wood, the private investigator, and I walked around. He said a knife was taken. That hut that was broken into, as we‘re looking at pictures of it from the sky. There was a net that was a missing, a fishing net. And why does the investigators—why do they now say, “Let‘s look again here”? Is there something else leading this, or is it sort of another wild goose chase?

MILLER: No, they actually said that four months ago, Rita, when we was there. And that‘s when we called in Florida State University. And they came with their equipment. And we did everything in the water to 150 foot deep. And that‘s all the deeper they were capable of doing with their equipment.

So we‘ve been spending, like, the last four months talking with Jim Whitaker and stuff, seeing if we can put something together, because Jim has the equipment, he has the knowledge to go as deep as we need to be going. And out that three to five miles out in the sea, we‘re in 800 to 1,000 feet of water.

So I think if Natalee, in fact, possibly was put inside that fish trap and she is out there, I think that the resources we‘re taken there are capable. And it‘s possible that she will be found. But we don‘t want to build up anybody‘s hopes.

But you know what? With that information, I think that we‘ve got to follow that information. I think we‘ve got to use every resource possible to see if we can locate Natalee. And I think that, again, we‘re taking the best of the best over there to see if we can bring little Natalee home.

COSBY: Well, certainly. And you‘ve got to check everything.

Jim, let me bring you in.

JAMES WHITAKER, UNDERWATER SEARCH SPECIALIST: OK.

COSBY: James Whitaker, you know, in terms of the equipment you have, is it capable? I mean, we just heard, you know, from Tim that we‘re talking three to five miles off the coast. It could be very deep water. Can your equipment still detect something, you know, like a fisherman‘s net, like a cage?

WHITAKER: Yes, it can.

COSBY: It can? Now, why is that? Explain how that sort of works?

WHITAKER: Well, we‘re using two pieces of equipment. One is a side scan sonar, which works on sound, draws a picture of the bottom and all the different anomalies that are there. And something like what we‘re talking about would show up pretty good there.

COSBY: How long could this search take? You know, Jim, based on your experience and based on how big the area is, that‘s a big area.

WHITAKER: Well, it is, but if you look at the topographic map, there‘s basically a trench out there where it drops off. And I‘ve narrowed down an area that we‘re going to search in that‘s reasonable. And we will look in that area first.

COSBY: And, Tim, you know, I know you‘re going down there sort of scouting mission, sort of looking at it. When do you think the actual diving and this actual search will physically begin? How far away are we talking?

WHITAKER: Well, you know what? We just want to make sure that we have everything cleared with the authorities in Aruba, that we don‘t run into any road blocks. This is quite a challenge just getting all the equipment there. And so I believe, when we leave the island Tuesday evening—this coming Tuesday evening is when we‘re planning on leaving—

I think then Jim and I will be able to make that decision, when we‘re going to start packing stuff up and getting over there. But I‘m hoping myself within a week and a half, two weeks we‘ll be over there and be in the waters of Aruba again.

COSBY: Well, we wish you both a lot of luck. Thank you so much for being with us tonight. We certainly hope we can provide some clues.

And just a few moments ago, we learned that the family of Joran Van Der Sloot will be seeking damages tomorrow related to Paul Van Der Sloot‘s arrest back in June. This just crossed the wires a little bit ago. We got it from the Aruban newspaper “Amigo.” They are reporting that Paul Van Der Sloot and his attorney will be in court as early as tomorrow.

And LIVE & DIRECT tonight is Natalee‘s mom, Beth Holloway Twitty. Also back with us is Holloway family attorney and former prosecutor, John Q. Kelly.

Beth, with this news just passing, what do you make of what‘s going to happen in court tomorrow? And how angry are you hearing that now the court sort of cleared the way that they could seek damages?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, Rita, just when I think that I cannot be shocked by any news coming out of Aruba, they prove me wrong over and over again. And I think that, you know, with him proceeding forward with this, you know, it—there‘s just no explanation for it, Rita.

COSBY: You must have been stunned. What was your reaction when you first—you just found out about this a little bit ago. What was your reaction, just personally?

TWITTY: Well, I can‘t imagine, first of all, that Paulus Van Der Sloot could ever be cleared as a suspect in Natalee‘s case. I mean, we have to remember, we still have two innocent black security guards, Mickey John and Abraham Jones, who still remain suspects in Natalee‘s case.

And, you know, I just don‘t want to lose sight that his son and Paulus Van Der Sloot are the ones that implicated these suspects. And, as far as to the kidnapping, rape, and possibly murder of my daughter, and now he‘s stepping forward to claim damages? You know, Rita—you know, it‘s just not right.

COSBY: It isn‘t—I will tell you, it is stunning. I want to show a comment. This is Jossy Mansur with “El Diario.” Because someone in his paper, as you know, Beth, did a brief interview with Joran not too long ago. And pretty surprising things that he said. And now, again, in light of what‘s happening tomorrow. But I want to play—these are some of the comments of what Joran apparently said to someone at “El Diario,” according to Jossy Mansur.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”: He avoided, of course, giving any details on the case itself. But he did admit to the reporter that he had sex with her, that it was consensual sex. He also admitted to him that the girl was going in and out of consciousness at a certain period.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: You know, when you hear that, Beth, and you hear that tomorrow that the court has cleared the way in Aruba that they could get, you know, damages, when he, himself, apparently is saying these things to reporters, saying a different thing to authorities, you‘ve just got to be shaking your head.

TWITTY: Oh, absolutely, Rita. I mean, we‘ve known as early as, you know, the first couple of weeks in June that Joran was admitting these sexual assaults that he committed against Natalee, as she‘s coming in and out of consciousness. I mean, this is not new information to the authorities or to the family.

COSBY: You know, John Q. Kelly is there anything that you can do to block them from receiving a dime from the Aruban government, you know, for pain and suffering, for Paul Van Der Sloot being arrested?

KELLY: Not at this time, Rita. Paul Van Der Sloot is obviously a shameless individual. When Deepak Kalpoe gave one of his first statements to police, what he said was, “Paul Van Der Sloot advised us to get our stories straight, to not communicate by e-mail, not to use our cell phones, and to get lawyers.” He also made contradictory statements about when he had picked up his son Joran that night.

It‘s very clear that, at the minimum, Mr. Van Der Sloot, in all probability, is, you know, part of at least a cover-up after the fact. And it appears he knows a great deal about what happened to Natalee and the three boys‘ activities that night.

And for him to be going at this point, seeking damages is unbelievable. And I‘ll be very closely watching how the Aruban courts handle his claim as opposed to the way they‘ve treated us, our claims, and the three suspects who clearly admitted to wrongdoing in this case.

COSBY: You know, and, John, as I read it, too, it‘s not just Paul who could actually seek damages. It looks like the whole family could seek damages for Paul‘s arrest. That‘s really surprising, isn‘t it?

KELLY: It‘s very surprising. I mean, it‘s almost shocking what‘s going on over there in the court system. And it‘s unbelievable that this man, his family, are shameless enough and, you know, sort of money-hungry enough to, after what they‘ve put the family through and what they‘ve, you know, made a number of people endure, that they‘re seeking compensation for this now.

COSBY: I will say, it is surprising.

You know, Beth, what about the case itself? We just heard from Tim with EquuSearch saying that they planned to be back in maybe in about a week and a half. He still seems confident that they‘ve got to check that area by the fisherman‘s hut. Do you believe there‘s anything there? And where do you think the case stands now?

TWITTY: Well, I think Tim Miller was exactly right. This is not a new lead. This is something that we have discussed with the FBI since as early as September.

And, you know, I think that it was in the—in October, possibly early November, when Tim Miller was trying to finish this search when, of course, the depth of the water exceeded his equipment. And that‘s when he was needing the officials on the island to contact or pick up the phone and make one phone call to the FBI for some additional equipment. And they refused to do that.

So I think, really, now he‘s just trying to do—you know, just finish this search that he was conducting like I said, in October, early November.

COSBY: Well, let‘s hope he gets some answers. And we will be watching what happens in that Aruban court, if that proceeding does take place tomorrow. We‘ll be all over this.

Both of you, thank you very much. We appreciate it.

KELLY: Sure.

TWITTY: Thank you, Rita.

COSBY: Thanks very much. Thanks, Beth, and thanks, John, so much.

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Thanks, Sheba. TOMORROW I will try. No more Friday the 13th stuff for me. I found this article from a Dutch magazine. Thought maybe someone here might find it interesting. Let's all give a big cheer for those Royal Dutch Marines. They are right up there with the Mexican Army and the Columbian Air Force for integrity.

Kilos of cocaine hidden on Dutch frigate in Caribbean 12 January 2006 AMSTERDAM — The Dutch Navy was red-faced on Thursday when it was announced kilos of cocaine were found on one of its vessels late last year. The drugs were discovered on the multi-purpose frigate, Hr.Ms. Tjerk Hiddes, on 7 December when the ship was berthed in Curacao, the Military Police service (Marechaussee) said. The spokesperson would not say how big the haul was, or whether the find was made by chance. No arrests were made. The ship was in the Caribbean for four months as part of a task force to combat drug trafficking. Curacao is the last island of the Netherlands Antilles. The Tjerk Hiddes returned to the naval port of Den Helder in the Netherlands on 19 December. The discovery of the drugs is a major embarrassment, as it is not the first time Dutch military personnel involved in anti-drugs operations have become traffickers. A group of Royal Marines used an Orion patrol plane to smuggle 125 kilos of cocaine in 1998. A court in Amsterdam sentenced the main culprits to sentences of up to eight years in 2000. [Copyright Expatica News + ANP

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=26758&name=Kilos+of+co

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LOL! You are too funny! Thanks for my first laugh of the day and, probably, my last laugh of the day!

[LucyT]

Just when you thought you'd heard it all:

Family for sale on eBay

The couple got the idea after vacationing in Aruba. They decided they wanted a slower pace and an experience for their five children.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1557851/posts

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The discovery of the drugs is a major embarrassment, as it is not the first time Dutch military personnel involved in anti-drugs operations have become traffickers.

Just unbelievable. But, it conforms to the info that Aruba is a big cocaine transhipment area for drugs from Columbia through Venezuela.

[penowa]

I just finished reading the transcript of Cosby's last night show. I didn't see it. Not only are the Sloots "SHAMELESS," IMO the whole island and its corrupt Justice (HO!HO!) System is too. That's probably just the tip of the iceberg. Don't count out the other islands in the Antilles (Curacao particularly) and of course, the mother country, the Netherlands. There really is no end to how outrageous these people are and to what extent they will go because they CAN. Who is going to stop them? This is so infuriating and so frustrating, if I had any hair left after trying to post pictures, I would rip it out! Grrrrr!

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...and an experience for their five children.

They might get an experience for one of their children that they will never forget.

[penowa]

Every last MF'er in their govt. with any power is owned lock, stock, and barrel by the drug lords and is on their under-the-table payroll. This is really the reason why there was no investigation and why this case will never be solved. It might step on the toes of somebody a lot more important than PVDS.

Think about the govt. compensating that scumbag and his family for suspecting him of wrongdoing, bending over backwards once he threatens them if he isn't returned his law license, etc. He's a NOBODY, but he has done favors for SOMEBODY and they owe him.

Maybe, just maybe, the little worm will demand too much and find out he only thought he was in the driver's seat, calling the shots. After all, if he's working for some sleazy lawyer in private practice, he's no longer in a position to be in the know or to do any favors for people, so he's worthless. He should be very careful or he could have a tragic accident if he keeps demanding things.

[shebacal]

Thanks for the link to the CC interview. There is probably a bit of truth to what the prime suspect told CC:

They went up to the lighthouse, were there for a little while.

And then she was acting so crazy (after they all three raped her) that he just wanted to take her home, back to the hotel that he slugged her and something bad happened to Natalee.

[shebacal]

You are so right. And this is the reason why PVDS' cistern was placed off limits to any search by the ALE.

[penowa]

I heard something about this yesterday or day before on Fox. I should have known they got the idea after being in Aruba...maybe there is something in their desalinated water that corrupts people, or maybe it's something they ate while they were there.

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or maybe it's just Aruba doing a little PR with these 'props'.

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www.scaredmonkeys.net

Posted by Getagrip: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:45 pm

High Commissioner Mr. Ronny Bernadina explained why “Year 2005 was not a good year for the police force of Aruba”

www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/
01/11/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN) – Diario approached High Commissioner Mr. Ronny Bernadina to find out about what 2005 signified for the police force, what they achieved and what didn’t go well.

High Commissioner Bernadina explained that the year 2005 was not good for KPA. Although they still don’t have all the details, when the statistics are out, they will publish these in detail, but in what relates to his own experience, he considers 2005 as a very troublesome year.

In regards to traffic accidents, Mr. Bernadina let it be known that in Oranjestad there were 3.172 accidents and very regrettably there were fatal cases, with a total of 9 killed in traffic, where three of these were motorcyclists, 4 were drivers of the cars, and 1 was a passenger. Compared with 2004, this decreased a little, from 14 to 9, but according to the Commissioner, this is nothing to brag about either.

High Commissioner Bernadina underlined that traffic is still unsafe, and this is due to high speeds (racing?) and this increased more in the year 2005. The forecast he has is that in 2006 also, drivers will try this, but police have measure for this situation.

Additionally, motorcyclists are using a lot of civil disobedience by not using their helmets and this too will have police’s attention this year. They will start a verbal process, and at a certain time they will take the license of the motorcyclists in question if it should get to this.

[snipped -bla bla bla]

The High Commissioner indicated that quad racers were also a growing problem last year, where at certain times they had to be stopped for speeding, and there was even a case where a person passed away in an accident due to not being able to operate the vehicle properly.

Personally, if it were in his hands, High Commissioner Mr. Ronny Bernadina would eliminate all quad racers from the public streets and would not give permission to operate these on public streets, but would allow them to run where they would not disturb our environment, and it isn’t an obstacle at the national park or other places.

According to the High Commissioner, in the U.S. and other countries, all these vehicles are regulated, but in Aruba they only have one door open to them. In any case, police will control them and especially in the general traffic there will be a lot of control this year.

Last year there were funds destined for control, but due to unforeseen circumstances, such as the case of Natalee and other unplanned activities, there was not enough in KPA’s budget to be able to implement this.

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www.scaredmonkeys.net

Posted by Getagrip: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:18 pm

Everett Clay Associates are proud
Jamaican tourism had record growth for 2005
www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/
01/11/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN): The news that shook up the Caribbean on Tuesday was when the government of Kingston indicated that the island of Jamaica received a record number of tourists for 2005, some 2.6 million. This is an increase of more than 4% compared with 2004.

It is more than clear that Jamaica is happy with this. In the happiness DIARIO noted the American promotion company, Everett Clay Associates. They are doing the promotion for Jamaica now, and this success made them very happy.

In the past, Aruba was also represented by Everett Clay Associates, who did a very professional work to promote Aruba.

However, when the MEP government took power, Minister Briesen dropped this group and selected another one for reasons that are not yet very clear.

Many observers believe that if Aruba was with Everett Clay Associates as partners during the dark months of the missing Alabama student, they would have surely done a better job of defending Aruba. It can still be recalled the questions of many people during June and July 2005, who wanted to know where were those in the U.S. to defend Aruba.

After Minister Briesen dropped Everett Clay Associates, they went to do promotion work for Jamaica. Now the fruits of their success can be seen.

Jamaica is also happy with the aggressive work of Everett Clay Associates and also of their Tourism Agency. For the month of November alone, Jamaica experienced an increase of 25.4%
The American press also reported on this extensively on Tuesday, and it could also be seen on CNN.

As for Aruba? Apparently, the government is so shocked at the statistics of the second half of 2005 that there are still no ‘official’ statistics produced by the Aruba Tourism Authority, and this even started to receive criticism from different local institutions. Perhaps MEP has thought to come out with the ‘statistic eating virus’ joke again?

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Posted by Getagrip: Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:47 am

Amongst all the rumours that have circulated there is one that says that Natalee was buried twice!

Anonymous telephone call claims to know what happened with Natalee Holloway and where she is buried!

On the first night she was first buried once and two nights later she was buried at another location

www.solodipueblo.com - 01/11/2006

STA. CRUZ – It was on the 31st of December that at the Rumba 91.5 FM studios came a telephone call from a man who did not indentify himself, who claimed to know where Natalee Holloway is and that he had to get in touch with Carlos & Charlies urgently.

This call came in via the Rumba number at xxx-xxxx while Rumba 91 FM was presenting the 91 biggest songs of the year.

The DJ was busy at that moment, and called management for them to deal with the case and when the management took over the telephone the man only wanted to get the number of Carlos & Charlies. They recommended at that time that the man call 118-Setar to ask for the number due to the fact that the man sounded quite strange.

It is Solo di Pueblo’s understanding that it is true that the man tried to get in touch with the management of Carlos & Charlies and here he divulged certain information. We understand also that Carlos & Charlies called authorities at once to inform them of the details that they got via telephone. Authorities did not waiver and followed these details closely and also took a few other preventive actions in this case.

It must be mentioned that when the end of the year arrives, this creates certain emotional moments in people’s lives and they can take certain decisions that they would not normally take. Perhaps the date of the 31st of December could play a role in this anonymous call?

The call which came in to Rumba 91.5 FM claimed that he knew exactly what happened with Natalee and also where Natalee is buried. It could be the case of a drug addict who was mentioned that he contributed and helped dig a whole to bury Natalee? And after a few days, they took Natalee out of this whole and went another way? Stories that circulated were many but among these there was a version that Natalee was in the company of 3 young men at the Hyatt beach. One security guard who passed on that side took note of strange movements and went to look for a colleague to accompany him and take a look, and at his return, he did not find anyone anymore?

It is also said that in the Hyatt beach surroundings they tried to dig a hole on the beach but that this resulted to be difficult. It was said that they took Natalee behind the Lighthouse where she was buried for a day and afterwards taken out and taken another way.

These are a few of the speculations which have been commented. The Public Prosecutor said that they have reasons to believe that Natalee Holloway is dead. The question remains: Are there still people who can find where she is buried? The call to Rumba 91 FM came in the afternoon hours. SDP has information that the call was also received at Carlos & Charlies.

[LucyT]

Wonder if she was buried in the cemetery under another body?

[shebacal]

www.scaredmonkeys.net

Posted by Getagrip: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:46 pm

The Superior Court has now given a reason Friday Paul van der Sloot and family start case of damages and prejudice
Bon Dia Aruba - 01/11/2006

ORANJESTAD – Now that the Superior Court has handed down the judgment in favour of Paul van der Sloot, he and his family are bringing a case of damages and prejudice against the Government.

An investigation Bon Dia Aruba is conducting shows that yesterday the Superior Court in Curaçao handed down the judgment in the appeal of Paul van der Sloot which was dealt with on December 19, 2005.

JUDGMENT APPEALED

In an exclusive interview Bon Dia Aruba had with attorney Swaen, who represents Paul van der Sloot, he explained that the judgment that the Superior Court gave yesterday is about the appeal which took place December 19, 2005.

Mr. Swaen explained that the appeal was about the decision of the Court of First Instance on the case of Paul van der Sloot to be able to bring a case of damages and prejudice against the government.

In the case, Paul van der Sloot asked for him and his family to bring a case of damages and prejudice.

The Court of First Instance decided that only Paul van der Sloot could bring a case of damages and prejudice, not his family.

SUPERIOR COURT JUDGMENT

Yesterday, the Superior Court handed down the decision on the appeals case, where the three judges declared that they do not share the opinion of the Court of First Instance.

The Superior Court showed that according to article 179 lid 3 Sv, it is possible for the family of Paul van der Sloot to also sue for damages and prejudice.

CASE IN COURT

Friday, January 13 2006, Paul van der Sloot and his family will start a case of damages and prejudice against the government. Paul van der Sloot is represented by Mr. Swaen, who is the attorney who assisted him from the beginning.

As it is known, Swaen was able to get the judge to set Paul van der Sloot free when he was detained related to the Holloway case. Afterwards, Mr. Swaen brought the case where it was noted that Paul van der Sloot has nothing to do with the penal case in what relates to Holloway and that he can now bring the case of damages and prejudice.

Finally, Mr. Swaen achieved that not only Paul van der Sloot, but that also all his family, Joran van der Sloot included, can bring a case of damages and prejudice against the government.

This is how this case will be deal with in the Court here in Aruba for the members of the Justice Court of Aruba. The handling of the case will take place behind closed doors, that is to say that the press will not be able to cover the handling of this case. Given that it is the whole family that is suing, it can be expected that the lawsuit will be very high.

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Posted by Getagrip: Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:10 pm

Plea to the ‘jogger’ and the ‘cab driver’ to contact police

www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/

01/12/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN): The case of Natalee clearly indicates that the investigators are maintaining the case alive, given that they want to bring clarity to what exactly happened to the young student during her stay on the island.

As it is known, this case has been ongoing since the 30 of May and there is no clue about her disappearance. Police are putting out a plea to the person who was jogging and called police related to Natalee’s case. The jogger is one of those key persons in the case, and this is why police are asking him to get in touch with authorities.

In the meantime, there is also a cab driver of initial M. who spoke to the police related to the case of Natalee, and investigators also ask if he could get in touch with authorities. The jogger and the cab driver can call xxx-xxxx, Commissioner Dompig will deal with them directly.

[Canadian Outrage]

The Dutch as a people are just unbelieveably corrupt. Like I've said before, just look at their country. It's a cesspool. Anything goes. No moral compass whatsoever. This story doesn't surprise me AT ALL. THE DUTCH A'INT MUCH HUH PENOWA???!!

[Canadian Outrage]

LOL - I honestly FEEL YOUR PAIN!! I'd like to tear my hair out too. God will one day soon, rain FIRE AND BRIMSTONE down on these types of societies. They become SO perverse that HE cannot stand them anymore, they become a stench in God's nostrils, and he wipes them out. I don't forget that there are many good Christian Dutch people. Imagine having to live in a society like that? It must vex their souls beyond measure.